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My past with religion, being agnostic and are you against spreading the gospel?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Leonides, Mar 31, 2018.

  1. Leonides

    Leonides New Member

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    How is everyone doing today?

    So this is my first time using this forum website, and i thought i reach out to those who are in the same position as i am. i feel like typing this would be to long.
    So I made a video, talking about my views on religion, as well as my past with it, and why I'm against spreading the gospel.

    Have some friends that are still in the church community that feel the same as i do, but unfortunately, the result of what they might lose is far to great. I believe anyone can live a moral and ethical life without religion.

    Would love some feedback!! thank you again everybody.
     
  2. David T

    David T Well-Known Member
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    Of course. What makes a person a good ethical person is not what they believe, or don't believe, it's in who they are. Sometimes all of our hobbit like nonsense is just Good people, arguing with good people, both unable to listen with nether party realising that about the other. .
     
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  3. Mock Turtle

    Mock Turtle Silent Generation - so don't expect much
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    I think you are quite right, in that one can live a perfectly moral and ethical life without any religious belief, and equally that one can achieve the same feelings of worth and of contributing to society and in how we can give to others without religion. I think in fact that life is a lot simpler and more rewarding when doing so because all we do is from ourselves, and not being dictated or directed from outside, such that we are more integrated as individuals. Speaking as a lifelong agnostic (from a young age) - and non-believer in all religions. Most of my friends have been similar, so few if any conflicts arising, with little discussion concerning religions. I tend to the view that religions have caused more harm too - see my journal for my reasons. And your last few words echo exactly my view - we simply don't know - such that we shouldn't be tempted to speculate. :D

    PS Welcome to the forums. :D

    Edit: I don't like the religious proselytising either - shame I was so rude to the JW who came around recently, since she was by appearances so nice and I actually found her quite attractive (elderly like me), and I do realise it is part of their faith to do such. But - best to keep one's religious beliefs to oneself in my view - just makes the world a better place. :D
     
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  4. Curious George

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    Not sure if this was just a drive by posting to promo your podcast, or if you are going to stick around the forum. But, I listened.

    First, I am going to call BS that you feel like typing it would take too long. I am guessing it is already typed. This podcast sounded like you were reading a script. Almost monotone. Contrast that with your podcast with your brother or with Paul Medina. Your voice, pausing, emphasis and style are very different. You sound like you are reading. If such is the case, then you could have just cut and pasted. But you didn't. Your voice adds dimension. If you used the same voice that was in your podcast with your brother and Mr. Medina, then your message would have been more powerful.

    As it is, the steady pace, unnatural emphasis, and near monotone sound presents the same barrier as a wall of text.

    You are obviously a very intelligent young man with some important thoughts to impart.

    Regarding content, you didn't really delve into your agnosticism beyond stating that you were and that you have accepted that. Your criticism of proselytizing was limited to spreading dangerous messages in some areas. While you alluded to the harm that can come with strict adherence to dogma you did not connect that to proselytizing. Your message was directed toward Abrahamic religions. This makes sense as you are talking about your experience, but it might be nice to acknowledge that.

    The sentiment of your view expresses an unhappiness with Abrahamic teachings, strict dogma, and careless/inconsiderate proselytizing. You let these criticism stand in juxtaposition to your philanthropy. This leaves a message: We can have the good without the baggage. You also lighten your attack by noting the possiblilty of maintaining a religious perespective without the negatives and even commend people for doing so. All of this, covered so briefly leaves a feeling of you glossing over points and not firmly taking a position.

    Overall, your podcast was enjoyable. I would have preferred a more natural sounding monologue. I do not think that you can do your points justice in the time you allotted. So, I think you should have focused on just one of your points.

    Thank you for posting. I hope to see you continue to post.

    Best regards
     
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  5. faithofabraham

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    The bible isnt about living a moral or ethical life....its about obedience and its completely up to each individual to decide. The bible teaches things that not all people agree with.....so what? I can understand that you would disagree if the bible is being used to hurt people, but most likely the people doing the hurting would use any other method they could, doesnt really have anything to do with any one particular book or idea why they do it in the first place.
    'I am against spreading the gospel'.... Why is your voice, or opinion, or thought process more important than anothers? Is your real problem that people disagree in life? that people live different lives? You are contradicting yourself- a religious person might start a statement 'I am against...fill in the blank' and their reason is from their beliefs. Why are they wrong but you are right?
     
  6. JJ50

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    I was a Christian as a young person, of the 'you must be 'saved' or burn in hell', nasty dogma. I was grateful when I started to question the faith in my late teens and lost it by the time I became an adult. I am now 68 and haven't missed it. I think threatening people with something out of a story book, for which there isn't the slightest bit of evidence, is abuse.
     
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  7. bobhikes

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    Welcome, I'm Agnostic as well and have no problem with people spreading the gospel. In my mind its the same as spreading the words of a favorite book or movie. When lots of people agree you get semi religions call fan clubs. Star Wars, Marvel, DC...etc where they clash on-line and sometimes in the real world. The problem is that people need to research the information given and not just support it to be part of the group. Eliminating the gospel doesn't eliminate the need for these people to belong and there are worse groups they can join.
     
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  8. PureX

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    Aren't you spreading your own "gospel", here? How is you wanting us to know what you believe any different than someone else wanting you to know what they believe?
     
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  9. Mock Turtle

    Mock Turtle Silent Generation - so don't expect much
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    Yeah, I suppose it is quite difficult, but not hard to recognise when they come knocking at your door doing so - not something I would do. :rolleyes: But I suppose JWs are the exception to the rule?
     
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