eudaimonia
Fellowship of Reason
So, now I pose the question to the men of RF: Would you change your last name to your wife's if she asked you to?
Possibly, but my wife and I retained our own last names.
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Mark
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So, now I pose the question to the men of RF: Would you change your last name to your wife's if she asked you to?
Nothing. But there are all kinds of traditions, and they all started somewhere, because people did what seemed appropriate to them at the time.Quibbling over a last name and disrespecting tradition is insulting to the traditional family. What is wrong with traditions?
My parents have been married for 48 years -- first marriage for both. My husband's parents have been married for 53 years, also the first marriage for both.Does anyone here come from a family that their father and mother are still married and have only been married once?
I couldn't care less about carrying on the family name; it started somewhere and it will end somewhere. However, my name is fairly common without being Smith or Jones, easy to pronounce, and sounds English, though it's not -- so it's convenient.I am also the last male on my father's side of the family, so it's up to me to carry on the family name.
Why wouldn't a real woman's husband be proud to carry her name?A real mans wife would be proud to carry his name.
I would not change my name, nor would I expect my wife to change hers unless she specifically wanted to.So, now I pose the question to the men of RF: Would you change your last name to your wife's if she asked you to? And if not, what are your reasons? Would you expect her to change her last name to yours? Why, or why not?
No change for me because my children carry my name. I don't think you have given tradition enough thought as a valid reason for not changing the name. For instance in your family the tradition seems to be developing for the girls to carry the name, or is it both?Before I was married, my partner used to insist upon the fact that when we got married, he wanted me to change my last name to his. While an atheist, he was raised in a very traditional Portuguese, Roman Catholic family, and that's "just how things were done." I, on the other hand, was raised an atheist, in a very non-traditional family, where my mother was the head of the household, and while she had changed her name to my fathers, many of her sisters had chosen not to when they married. I was insistant on keeping my last name when we married. My partner and I bickered back and forth about this for years, but ultimately, I won out, and I think mainly because I posed this question: "Why don't you change your name to mine when we marry?" He didn't want to. "Why not?" I asked, "Then we'll have the same last name, just like you want. There will be no question that we're married, no confusion over whose last name to give the children." After much discussion, he really couldn't come up with a good reason not to change his name to mine other than the fact that he just didn't want to, and if that reason was good enough for him to keep his name, it was good enough for me to keep mine.
So, now I pose the question to the men of RF: Would you change your last name to your wife's if she asked you to? And if not, what are your reasons? Would you expect her to change her last name to yours? Why, or why not?
I don't think you have given tradition enough thought as a valid reason for not changing the name.
For instance in your family the tradition seems to be developing for the girls to carry the name, or is it both?
These questions were of no importance in the past when large families were the norm and most family names were carried on through the male side. Its more a symptom of people having small families that this question arises in the first place?
Is it important to keep names going for identity?
Before I respond, what do you think of the power issues I raised at the end of my post.Not true. There were several instances in this thread where men said they wouldn't change their name because of tradition, and I didn' t bug them too much about it. I'd just like people to think about why they do the things they do.
No, there is no surname tradition in my family. Some women keep it, some women change it, depending on the woman. I kept mine, my sister-in-law changed hers, and my sister is the first to get her spouse to change his. The only "tradition" we're passing down, I suppose, would be the tradition of letting women decide for themselves what they want, and teaching our sons and daughters that women have as much of a right to make these decisions as any male - that the final say does not fall to the man simply because he's male.
I think it's more a symptom of women thinking for themselves; but I can see why you'd think that, because I think smaller families are another symptom of that.
It depends on who you ask. It was important for me to keep my name for my personal identity, yes. Others don't care as much. Some women would rather have a new identity, as the wife of their spouse and a member of his family, and if that's what they want, more power to them. To me, it doesn't really matter what they choose, as long as they have a choice, and are doing what's right for them.
Before I respond, what do you think of the power issues I raised at the end of my post.
I think I mean't tradition is carried in a name. People knock themselves out trying to name new babies in a distinctive way only to find out everybody else had the same idea when there are 3 Lachlan's in the class. We should call eachother by our last names as a rule.You'd have to reword it, because I can't figure out what you're trying to say there.
Yes it is important to me too. But I thought you were looking for reasons that you would consider valid for not changing.Not true. There were several instances in this thread where men said they wouldn't change their name because of tradition, and I didn' t bug them too much about it. I'd just like people to think about why they do the things they do.
Maybe it will become a tradition in the next generation if the woman keeps her name and the bloke changes in this?No, there is no surname tradition in my family. Some women keep it, some women change it, depending on the woman. I kept mine, my sister-in-law changed hers, and my sister is the first to get her spouse to change his. The only "tradition" we're passing down, I suppose, would be the tradition of letting women decide for themselves what they want, and teaching our sons and daughters that women have as much of a right to make these decisions as any male - that the final say does not fall to the man simply because he's male.
A symptom of women thinking the same thing as men maybe? Smaller families mean names are more in danger of being selected out if only boys carry the family name.I think it's more a symptom of women thinking for themselves; but I can see why you'd think that, because I think smaller families are another symptom of that.
Agreed.It depends on who you ask. It was important for me to keep my name for my personal identity, yes. Others don't care as much. Some women would rather have a new identity, as the wife of their spouse and a member of his family, and if that's what they want, more power to them. To me, it doesn't really matter what they choose, as long as they have a choice, and are doing what's right for them.
I've heard of people taking each other's last names and hyphenating when they get married, but I can't say I'm a real fan of it.
I think most people would just pick two.I can see that leading to problems in a few generations...
"Mr (Father's name)-(Mother's name)-(Wife's father's name)-(Wife's mother's name)"
I can agree with the last sentence. When I married, my wife didn't want to lose her rather unique surname, very well known in her home town, to mine, which was at the time unique in my home town, but not in any way recognized like hers. There, it was, Oh, like the engineer X at SAAB aeroplanes?, here, it was How do you spell that?It is part of the Culture in the U.K that the wife takes on the husband's surname......... I have never heard of anyone who has even thought to question that, but I guess I can understand your point. The only time I have seen a wife retain her maiden name has been when she was a professional person before marriage, and didn't want to lose the name.
I agree that Swedish names can't be linked to religion, but if the latter part of that sentence is correct, we aren't a part of "the European Continent". Some girls retain their maiden names like, for surname, their maiden name - hyphen - husband's surname, not the other way round, and have the result officially recorded. Like in my case, it's convenient, because on a divorce, there's at least a part of her surname that isn't changed.As far as the married name is concerned, I don't think that the married name has anything to do with the Religious aspect of a marriage; on the European Continent, a wife legally is called by her husban'ds surname ( hyphen ) her Maiden name.
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Strange, mrscardero was just sitting next to me and then simply disappeared.
Not no, but HELL NO!!!
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Why not?