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Featured Maybe the world shortest Proof of God

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by questfortruth, May 19, 2017.

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  1. questfortruth

    questfortruth Well-Known Member

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    A proof is the knowledge of the God's mind. Therefore to prove God to God is easy.
     
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    Some balanced things are not moving with acceleration, not evolving enough.
     
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    And how to you prove something to something that doesn't (or may not) exist?
     
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    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    That video seems to only be available in Russian. The subtitles, too, are ony in Russian.

    It is not too hard to add subtitles in English to, at least, the shorter videos of that list, but that would need someone with proficiency of both languages to help.

    Edited to add: I transcribed what I could make of the English video of that list to the comments.

    The results, such as they are, can be checked at
     
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    I think he linked a playlist rather than the actual video he meant. Copernicus linked the video earlier and even provided a helpful transcription of it:

    Published on May 16, 2017
    "A simple and short proof of God: "We prove God to the God, therefore God is proven."

    An author wrote an article on Physics and sent to the editor. The editor forwarded the paper to a two specialists, who were delighted to read the article. But it would be much more reliable to send the article to the judgment of the All-Knowing God. People even have a "day of fools": April 1. People are not reliable if they are not saints.

    You do prove Einstein's Theory not to people, but to God.
    And you prove God not to people, but to God. Therefore, the God is automatically proven.

    God can not be refuted, because atheists refute God to the God."
     
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    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    Thanks. As proofs go, it is gloriously circular and unconvincing.

    In fairness, Aquinas' did not make a much better case and people keep presenting his work as arguments for the existence of God.
     
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    I think that you have to look at the "proof" as a variant of presuppositional apologetics. That is, one cannot really question the assumption that God exists, so existence automatically becomes the first premise in a proof, which of course makes it a circular proof. The idea that one cannot prove anything to people, only to God, is just tacked on as a way of reinforcing the claim that there can be no argument over God's existence. It amounts to just a bald, unsupported assertion that God exists. The argument is not designed to counter atheism, but to reinforce existing belief.
     
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    Nope.I have a question about Einstein's field equations of general relativity and about the characteristics of the covariant rank 2 tensor field associated to the pseudo Riemannian metric of the spacetime differential manifold.

    Can you help?

    Ciao

    - viole
     
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    How can I serve you? Through a Personal Messages?
     
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    Start with imagination.
     
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    So you wanted to give a push toward the answer you wanted by providing a supremely negative choice along with a normal positive choice?
     
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    The faith in God is subconsciously inside every one of us. That is why the proof seems to be circular. It is impossible to fight the "false atheism", because the "false atheism" is the ABSOLUTE denial. The people, however, do stick to the God at least a tiny bit.
     
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    No it's not.
     
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    I don't know how much truth there is in there. But it is a rather bold premise to have before claiming to have a "proof" of the existence of God.

    Besides, even if 100% true that would not be evidence for very much at all.

    No. It seems to be circular because it is very much circular.

    I take it that you mean to say "I don't believe that atheism truly exists"?

    Well, it turns out that it does.

    In other words, you expect people to admit to being believers in God because they have awareness of the concept?

    I am all for changing that.
     
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    So God is purely the result of imagination?
     
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    Atheism and theism are opposite sides of the same coin. There is no "absolute" belief in either, because we weigh both sides of a claim. Your argument cuts both ways, because neither of us can absolutely rule out our tiny doubts.

    Our minds are evolved to resolve contradictions. You can try to resist, but you would not survive long in this world if you managed to succeed. It is legitimate to question whether belief in your god is justified. I believe that it is not. Проверяй но доверяй.
     
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    OK, I see now. Apologies if I was a bit insulting.
     
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    Without the God no proofs and no conclusions are possible to make. But latter sentence is a conclusion. So, the God exists.
     
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    Which god?
     
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