Maybe the world shortest Proof of God

[questfortruth]

Which god?

First step to happiness to make clear, what God exists in reality outside our heads and fantasies.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Well, that's essentially the question that I asked you.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Without the God no proofs and no conclusions are possible to make. But latter sentence is a conclusion. So, the God exists.

Please demonstrate that proof and conclusions cannot exist without God.

 

[questfortruth]

Please demonstrate that proof and conclusions cannot exist without God.

To whom you would like to explain your theory (if you'd make one) the most:
1) Obama,
2) Trump,
3) Putin,
4) God ?
My choice is - God.

 

[Quintessence]

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[ImmortalFlame]

To whom you would like to explain your theory (if you'd make one) the most:
1) Obama,
2) Trump,
3) Putin,
4) God ?
My choice is - God.

But God may not exist.

 

[questfortruth]

But God may not exist.

Then proofs are not there at all. No Judge of correctness - no proofs. So, the Judge exists.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Do I have to watch the videos? The OP seems to be, even allowing for language barriers, filled with absurd circular logic and basically no substance.

 

[LuisDantas]

Then proofs are not there at all. No Judge of correctness - no proofs. So, the Judge exists.

You realize that you are just giving us various forms of circular claims that there must be a God, just because, right?

 

[questfortruth]

You realize that you are just giving us various forms of circular claims that there must be a God, just because, right?

The circular proof has following common structure: if statement A is true, then follows the statement B, if B is true, then follows the A. Please formulate the statement A in mine proofs. Then formulate the statement B. Otherwise the circularity is not obvious.

 

[questfortruth]

Do I have to watch the videos? ......

I am sorry to read this. Please watch the videos, they are informative: I -the Professional Physicist- like them.

 

[LuisDantas]

The circular proof has following common structure: if statement A is true, then follows the statement B, if B is true, then follows the A. Please formulate the statement A in mine proofs. Then formulate the statement B. Otherwise the circularity is not obvious.

Uh. It is not only obvious, but also blatant.

You take for granted that a certain conception of God exists, then work from there to show why the world would work in a certain way in that case.

Come to think of it, it is not even a circular argument. It is just a claim that disproves itself.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

I am sorry to read this. Please watch the videos, they are informative: I -the Professional Physicist- like them.

I don't usually like watching videos that waste my time. I have other vids to watch, like baby goats.

I usually go to TED talks or something for my educational needs. Thanks anyway, though.

 

[questfortruth]

Uh. It is not only obvious, but also blatant.

You take for granted that a certain conception of God exists, then work from there to show why the world would work in a certain way in that case.

Come to think of it, it is not even a circular argument. It is just a claim that disproves itself.

I looked and I see no A, and no B here.

 

[Darkstorn]

It may be the world's shortest proof of god. It's also one of the least convincing.

Circular arguments are not convincing to rational people. The end.

 

[questfortruth]

It may be the world's shortest proof of god. It's also one of the least convincing.

Circular arguments are not convincing to rational people. The end.

A false proof is not the correct proof. So, the false proof is not a proof. But look here:
Were the 5 ways of Thomas Aquinas debunked scientifically?

 

[Darkstorn]

A false proof is not the correct proof. So, the false proof is not a proof. But look here:
Were the 5 ways of Thomas Aquinas debunked scientifically?

I don't think you know what the word "proof" actually means. You're mistaking it for evidence here for example.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Hello, friends. I am a theoretical Physicists with the honor diplomas from the Church. I have the mind, which is guided by the hungry heart. Hungry for Love. Look, what I have:

The True Religion is Proven - YouTube

The long ones and short ones are all just as wrong.

 

[LuisDantas]

I looked and I see no A, and no B here.

On second thought, it is not a circular argument. It is the first half of one.

It begins by presuposing a god not unlike that of Abraham and then decrees that there are certain (undemonstrable at best) consequences of that god's presumed existence.

There is never an attempt to demonstrate or evidence the existence of such a god.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Then proofs are not there at all. No Judge of correctness - no proofs. So, the Judge exists.

Please demonstrate that God is necessary for proof to exist.