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Maybe the world shortest Proof of God

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LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Hello, friends. I am a theoretical Physicists with the honor diplomas from the Church. I have the mind, which is guided by the hungry heart. Hungry for Love. Look, what I have:

The True Religion is Proven - YouTube
That video seems to only be available in Russian. The subtitles, too, are ony in Russian.

It is not too hard to add subtitles in English to, at least, the shorter videos of that list, but that would need someone with proficiency of both languages to help.

Edited to add: I transcribed what I could make of the English video of that list to the comments.

The results, such as they are, can be checked at
 
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ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
That video seems to only be available in Russian. The subtitles, too, are ony in Russian.

It is not too hard to add subtitles in English to, at least, the shorter videos of that list, but that would need someone with proficiency of both languages to help.
I think he linked a playlist rather than the actual video he meant. Copernicus linked the video earlier and even provided a helpful transcription of it:

Published on May 16, 2017
"A simple and short proof of God: "We prove God to the God, therefore God is proven."

An author wrote an article on Physics and sent to the editor. The editor forwarded the paper to a two specialists, who were delighted to read the article. But it would be much more reliable to send the article to the judgment of the All-Knowing God. People even have a "day of fools": April 1. People are not reliable if they are not saints.

You do prove Einstein's Theory not to people, but to God.
And you prove God not to people, but to God. Therefore, the God is automatically proven.

God can not be refuted, because atheists refute God to the God."
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Thanks. As proofs go, it is gloriously circular and unconvincing.

In fairness, Aquinas' did not make a much better case and people keep presenting his work as arguments for the existence of God.
 

Copernicus

Industrial Strength Linguist
Thanks. As proofs go, it is gloriously circular and unconvincing.

In fairness, Aquinas' did not make a much better case and people keep presenting his work as arguments for the existence of God.
I think that you have to look at the "proof" as a variant of presuppositional apologetics. That is, one cannot really question the assumption that God exists, so existence automatically becomes the first premise in a proof, which of course makes it a circular proof. The idea that one cannot prove anything to people, only to God, is just tacked on as a way of reinforcing the claim that there can be no argument over God's existence. It amounts to just a bald, unsupported assertion that God exists. The argument is not designed to counter atheism, but to reinforce existing belief.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Many fields. Do you like to read the discoveries?

Nope.I have a question about Einstein's field equations of general relativity and about the characteristics of the covariant rank 2 tensor field associated to the pseudo Riemannian metric of the spacetime differential manifold.

Can you help?

Ciao

- viole
 
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questfortruth

Well-Known Member
I think that you have to look at the "proof" as a variant of presuppositional apologetics. That is, one cannot really question the assumption that God exists, so existence automatically becomes the first premise in a proof, which of course makes it a circular proof. The idea that one cannot prove anything to people, only to God, is just tacked on as a way of reinforcing the claim that there can be no argument over God's existence. It amounts to just a bald, unsupported assertion that God exists. The argument is not designed to counter atheism, but to reinforce existing belief.
The faith in God is subconsciously inside every one of us. That is why the proof seems to be circular. It is impossible to fight the "false atheism", because the "false atheism" is the ABSOLUTE denial. The people, however, do stick to the God at least a tiny bit.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
The faith in God is subconsciously inside every one of us.
I don't know how much truth there is in there. But it is a rather bold premise to have before claiming to have a "proof" of the existence of God.

Besides, even if 100% true that would not be evidence for very much at all.

That is why the proof seems to be circular.
No. It seems to be circular because it is very much circular.

It is impossible to fight the "false atheism", because the "false atheism" is the ABSOLUTE denial.

I take it that you mean to say "I don't believe that atheism truly exists"?

Well, it turns out that it does.

The people, however, do stick to the God at least a tiny bit.
In other words, you expect people to admit to being believers in God because they have awareness of the concept?

I am all for changing that.
 

Copernicus

Industrial Strength Linguist
The faith in God is subconsciously inside every one of us. That is why the proof seems to be circular. It is impossible to fight the "false atheism", because the "false atheism" is the ABSOLUTE denial. The people, however, do stick to the God at least a tiny bit.
Atheism and theism are opposite sides of the same coin. There is no "absolute" belief in either, because we weigh both sides of a claim. Your argument cuts both ways, because neither of us can absolutely rule out our tiny doubts.

Our minds are evolved to resolve contradictions. You can try to resist, but you would not survive long in this world if you managed to succeed. It is legitimate to question whether belief in your god is justified. I believe that it is not. Проверяй но доверяй.
 
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