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Featured Is according to Jews everything God's will?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by ayin, Dec 22, 2020.

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  1. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    This is just not true. Some who speeds on the freeway is not on par with someone who kidnaps, tortures, and kills little children.
     
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    That;s because God's ways are not our ways. Isaiah 55:8-9

     
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    The Ten Commandments were given to show us that we are not perfect and we need a Savior.
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    With God, all that is required is our repentance -- turning away from our sin (which also includes trying as best we can to undo our wrong) and turning back to God's ways.
     
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    Can a judge just say "I forgive you" to a rapist? 10 Biggest Lies about Yeshua, His Jewishness, and What Some Call ‘Jewish Christianity’ | Jewish Voice

     
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    I agree. Yeshua dying on the cross gave us the way to be forgiven of those mistakes. Isaiah 55:7

    We can't stand in the presence of God as sinners, so to forgive us, the son of God, who Daniel saw in the fires, died for our sins. Daniel; 3:25.

     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    I'm tired of your repetition. You are not being rational in this one, friend.
     
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    Job said that there was no mediator, but that doesn't mean there wasn't one, because he was talking about the future hope of a mediator.
     
  9. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    No, actually this is a non sequitur. It has nothing to do with what I said. Quite honestly, I probably skip about 1/3 of your posts, because they simply do not logically follow from the quote you are replying to.
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    There's actually 613 commandments. They were given to Israel by God to bless us and set us apart as a priestly people. Read what Psalm 19 says about the Law, that it is sweeter than the honey and the honeycomb.
     
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    It's relevant to what you said, because giving an analogy of Jesus being like a lawyer who takes the place of a defendant doesn't mean that any lawyer would actually do that; it's an analogy.
     
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    Following those 613 laws and the Messiah are not mutually exclusive, because of the semantics of two covenants.
     
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    God doesn't need a rationale for forgiving us, he is by nature a merciful God who wants to reconcile with all who will.
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    There is nothing, NOTHING, in the Tanakh about a covenant to "believe in the Messiah when he comes so that your sins can be forgiven."

    So are you obeying the 613 laws?
     
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    I'm not justifying our God, I am explaining how God forgives us. God does all things decently and in order. A judge can't just forgive a criminal.
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    A lawyer can't take the place of the criminal.
     
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    While one can be Jewish and Christian, one doesn't have to be. It depends on your convictions.

    Job looked forward to the redeemer. Pastor: I know my Redeemer lives

     
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    The criminal could be pardoned if they accepted the lawyer taking their place. Nobody knows if this has ever happened or not.
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    No, this is impossible because it violates the very idea of justice.
     
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    People would never deal with legal situations that way because God's ways are not our ways.
     
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