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Is according to Jews everything God's will?

Skywalker

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A lawyer cannot agree to take the place of a criminal. It is unjust, and just doesn't happen. Why do you keep bringing up this absurd theory?

That;s because God's ways are not our ways. Isaiah 55:8-9

“For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the Lord.
“As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
Why does God need to do anything in order to qualify to be our savior? He is GOD.

Jesus is the Savior of no one.

Can a judge just say "I forgive you" to a rapist? 10 Biggest Lies about Yeshua, His Jewishness, and What Some Call ‘Jewish Christianity’ | Jewish Voice

“The truth is,” Jonathan continues, “Jesus Christ is not the God of Christianity. He is Yeshua HaMashiach—’ ‘Jesus the Messiah.’ Christ is not His last name, but comes from the Greek word Christos, Χριστός (khrē-sto's), meaning ‘anointed.’” The word Christ holds the same meaning as the Hebrew word Mashiach, or Messiah, and is His title.

Hundreds of years before Yeshua was born, the Old Testament (or “old covenant”) proclaimed the coming of what today is sometimes known by some as Jewish Christianity, and more accurately termed Messianic Judaism, in which Jews would receive the Christ – the Messiah. The prophet Jeremiah, in verses 31:1-14, tells of a new covenant (the “New Testament”) that would be made with the House of Israel and Judah. This covenant would be different from the Mosaic covenant. God would forgive our sins and remember them no more.

How can that happen? Forgiveness of sins comes only by the shedding of blood. The yearly sacrifice could not accomplish this type of forever forgiveness. Only the blood of a once-and-for-all sacrifice could do that. This is not the God of Christianity alone. This is a new covenant that is promised to the old covenant People, the People of Israel, and then spreads through the nations of the world for all people. This is Yeshua the Messiah of Israel foretold by the Jewish prophets. When Jewish People embrace Yeshua, they don’t convert to Christianity; they find their Messiah promised to them within their own Scriptures! They remain Jews, but have found their Messiah! While some people have called them “completed Jews,” or use such terminology as Jewish Christianity to describe this Jewish faith in Yeshua, the phrase Messianic Jews or Messianic Judaism is more common and identifies the fact that Jewish People do not need to convert to Christianity; they are Jews who have recognized Jesus as the Messiah the Jewish People have long awaited.
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
With God, all that is required is our repentance -- turning away from our sin (which also includes trying as best we can to undo our wrong) and turning back to God's ways.

I agree. Yeshua dying on the cross gave us the way to be forgiven of those mistakes. Isaiah 55:7

Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

We can't stand in the presence of God as sinners, so to forgive us, the son of God, who Daniel saw in the fires, died for our sins. Daniel; 3:25.

He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
That;s because God's ways are not our ways. Isaiah 55:8-9
No, actually this is a non sequitur. It has nothing to do with what I said. Quite honestly, I probably skip about 1/3 of your posts, because they simply do not logically follow from the quote you are replying to.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
The Ten Commandments were given to show us that we are not perfect and we need a Savior.
There's actually 613 commandments. They were given to Israel by God to bless us and set us apart as a priestly people. Read what Psalm 19 says about the Law, that it is sweeter than the honey and the honeycomb.
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
No, actually this is a non sequitur. It has nothing to do with what I said. Quite honestly, I probably skip about 1/3 of your posts, because they simply do not logically follow from the quote you are replying to.

It's relevant to what you said, because giving an analogy of Jesus being like a lawyer who takes the place of a defendant doesn't mean that any lawyer would actually do that; it's an analogy.
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
There's actually 613 commandments. They were given to Israel by God to bless us and set us apart as a priestly people. Read what Psalm 19 says about the Law, that it is sweeter than the honey and the honeycomb.

Following those 613 laws and the Messiah are not mutually exclusive, because of the semantics of two covenants.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Following those 613 laws and the Messiah are not mutually exclusive, because of the semantics of two covenants.
There is nothing, NOTHING, in the Tanakh about a covenant to "believe in the Messiah when he comes so that your sins can be forgiven."

So are you obeying the 613 laws?
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
God doesn't need a rationale for forgiving us, he is by nature a merciful God who wants to reconcile with all who will.

I'm not justifying our God, I am explaining how God forgives us. God does all things decently and in order. A judge can't just forgive a criminal.
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
There is nothing, NOTHING, in the Tanakh about a covenant to "believe in the Messiah when he comes so that your sins can be forgiven."

So are you obeying the 613 laws?

While one can be Jewish and Christian, one doesn't have to be. It depends on your convictions.

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“For I know that my Redeemer lives, And He shall stand at last on the earth” (Proverbs 19:25). His knowledge of the Lord should serve as a reminder to every believer, bringing hope even in the midst of our greatest trials. Job knew the Redeemer. He knew the Lord.Jun 13, 2020
 
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