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Fuhrer Trump: No muslim welcome for 4 months

Discussion in 'Political Debates' started by Servant_of_the_One1, Jan 28, 2017.

  1. Curious George

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    I see a mass of people trying to escape atrocities. It seems we agree that when this is the case that people should help. It seems we disagree on how the line of people should be organized. Giving Christians cutsies and sending Muslims to the back of the line does not seem like the most secular policy.

    Nor does slowing the line because the country has a majority of Muslims seem to be very secular.

    Mind, if this was not presented as the rationale and the cards just fell that way, we could have a different conversation. Instead we are dealing with an act that was publicly touted because of the religious component. In short, we see intent with this act to discriminate against Muslims and favor non-muslims, but no intentions with prior acts to discriminate against xtians.
     
  2. ADigitalArtist

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    There were orders of magnitudes more Muslims refugees in a predominantly Muslim nation trying to gain access to refugee systems. This should surprise nobody. There's an even smaller percentage of atheist refugees, should I assume that it's because atheists are being actively discriminated against or because there simply isn't that many willing to divulge that information?

    Can you actually prove that Christians were especially discriminated against in some way? Or is this just another persecution complex as a result of the (thankfully) waning belief that this is a Christian nation and Christian morals should dictate state policy?
     
  3. Shadow Wolf

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    No, there wasn't. Their was no ban on people coming from a handful of nations with neglecting to even mention the big one we should be concerned about. Really, it's a reflection of Trump's **** poor understanding of such things because if he was at all serious Saudi Arabia would have been first on the list.
    He didn't do that. He barely even mentioned God, and is about the polar opposite of his VP. And if he did run under that platform, that is a very major issue because Christianity is not a core of our legal system, and this must not be neglected.
    And it's also very exclusive, because, of course, about 30% of the country's population is not Christian, and the number is on a general upwards trend.
     
  4. Mister Emu

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    Good.

    I doubt it. I just see there is a group that has been heretofore almost entirely disregarded. They need direct action that has been denied to them, when other groups have already had to door opened. Once the issue of the incompetence or malevolence, choose, of the prior admin has been resolved we can move on.

    I thought lefties were all about affirmative action for disproportionately effected minorities? Huh.

    Neither does giving Christians the middle finger.

    Of course "we" don't.
     
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    Syria was 10% Christian. Try again.
     
  6. Mister Emu

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    Facts say otherwise.

    I tend to agree that our relationship is with KSA is ****ed. Who cares that it is the epicenter of most of this inhumanity, because, oil and money.

    You, and the previous poster, apparently weren't the intended audience and didn't even catch the message; yes, as someone who understood what he was saying, he did.

    No one said anything about our legal system.
     
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    First of all, according to what statistics, what statistics are there showing that a greater number of Syrian Christians tried to come here and were barred entry, how do you know there weren't Christians trying to immigrate which refused to disclose their religion, and how do you know there isn't the same issue with atheists in Syria?
     
  8. Mister Emu

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    I'll leave my previous post up, but I don't think he was actively not letting Christian Syrian refugees in, he just didn't care that his policy effectively barred them from asylum. Christians dying and being refused refugee status wasn't anywhere on his priority list, or at least was beneath school bathrooms and going on Jimmy Kimmel to make fun of Trump.
     
  9. Revoltingest

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    Long time no see! I don't know that it is hypocrisy.
    I can't assess which Muslim countries are unacceptable risks compared to the others.
    As for Saudi oil, we get very little from them. And the prices are so low that a great
    many wells here have suspended operation. (I know a guy in the biz.) Perhaps our
    military ties make them safer, the 9/11 situation (15 years ago) notwithstanding.
     
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    Maybe I over generalized, but typically when someone goes on about Christianity being such a "traditional core" of our culture and society, they mean to intend that laws be based on Christian dogma. Such is why Pence bothers me, because he has a track record of putting Conservative Christianity before civil liberties, as well as his what can only be described as rampant science denial (after all, you can't directly quote many people anymore saying "smoking won't kill you."). Which is another issue that often comes along with this "core" position, and that is teaching religious mythology as factual science and promoting sex education programs that are proven failures, but anything else is not acceptable to them because of their religious hang ups about sex, even though society as a whole suffers because of their foolish and arrogant self-centerdness and being concerned about "me." People like to bash Millennial for that, but, realistically, it's an ingrained part of the American psychological profile. I have no hesitation in saying that probably most Americans would probably "sink the ship" if they couldn't have their way.
    Then you should post them, because we are at an impasse.
     
  11. Curious George

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    Obviously, you thought wrong. I suppose we could have a discussion on "affirmative action" so we can clear up your conceptions of what "lefties" believe, let's do gun control toof, since I am going to be the bar by which you judge "lefties" it should be very interesting.
     
  12. Curious George

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    Interesting that you think xtians deserve some sort of special recognition based on their religious beliefs in this scenario.
     
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    Always nice to see you too!

    I don't worry so much about Saudi Arabia on an outside-view standpoint. I worry about the underground madrassas that are training these young minds to kill in the name of God. That worries me. Trump knows this exists, and should be on his radar more than the seven countries he chose.

    The country is flaring up, lots of protesting and speaking out. It's going to be interesting to see how this turns out.

    Meanwhile, Trumo continues to tweet about fake news and his treatment by the media and SNL.
     
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    Good, get rid of all those who are against Americas way of life, like why the hell are they there in the first place if they don't like the US life style, are they hoping to change it ?.
     
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    Yeah like the MIT student who can't go back to class. I mean her country of origin means she hates America right?
     
  16. psychoslice

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    There are many who don't like the way of life, they come to western countries and complain over and over, we don't want their backward way of life, and of course I am talking about the radicals, the low life.
     
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    The ban didn't ban radicals. It banned everyone.

    And a court stopped it! Yay!

    Dale Ho on Twitter
     
  18. Drolefille

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    A national stay on the order is now in place.
     
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    I agree right now they all should be stopped, its getting out of hand, you don't know who to trust after stupid Obama letting everyone in without going through the proper channels, surely you must agree with that, but then again you don't seem to agree with anything lol..
     
  20. Drolefille

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    The people who work with refugees, most of whom are associated with Christian organizations, would state precisely how wrong you are. Vetting for refugees already takes years.
    I will indeed continue to disagree with you as long as you continue to be absolutely wrong. These aren't matters of faith they're demonstrable facts. So there are in fact right and wrong answers.
     
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