Howard Is
Lucky Mud
If nothing is sacred then why have any reverence for life?
Have you heard of the Magdalene Laundries ?
Please listen to this.
Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!
If nothing is sacred then why have any reverence for life?
The Roman Catholic Church supported Hitler (Mainly because he was anti-Jew) and the Nazi Uniform belt buckle said, "Gott mit uns" - the slogan pre-dates Hitler but he took advantage of it.I agree that there are many immoral people, but saying “…there is no place in the Nazi party for non-believers....” doesn’t make anyone Christian. Christian meant originally a disciple of Jesus. And a disciple of Jesus is a person who remains in the teachings of Jesus, which include the idea “love your enemy”.
Jesus therefore said to those Jews who had believed him, "If you remain in my word, then you are truly my disciples. You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."
John 8:31-32
But I tell you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat you and persecute you, that you may be children of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and the unjust.
Mat. 5:44-45
Atheists don’t follow Jesus, so it is more likely they do some unloving things.
Religious morality, IMHO, is often deontological; even Divine Command.I suppose one could ask the question as to what's the specific difference that stands out between religious and secular morality?
If you ask me, religious folks do not corner the market in that regard because nothing stands out for one to think otherwise.
Religious morality, IMHO, is often deontological; even Divine Command.
Religious morality is based on lists of do's and don'ts, once useful in maintaining order, cultural identity or power many centuries ago in, cultures very different from our own. Today, however, many of these precepts seem a poor fit.
Secular morality tends to be consequential, ie: based on an action's effects. Consequentialist morality can explain itself; it has a clear function; a "why?"
"God commands it!" morality can be pretty perplexing; even dysfunctional.
I heard atheists argue atheists are just as moral as theists. But I am not sure this is true in general. Many scientists work on weapons designed to destroy humanity. Scientists are mostly atheists, and many scientists are engineering weapons of mass death. Then can I conclude there something inherently missing from the way atheists believe?
It seems to me someone could use their religious beliefs as a way of seeing working on weapons of mass death as being immoral, and therefore, a person with religious beliefs might not create such evil weapons in the first place because of the potential consequences as held by the religious beliefs.
If nothing is sacred then why have any reverence for life?
I agree with your initial points, but take issue with your conclusion.I agree that there are many immoral people, but saying “…there is no place in the Nazi party for non-believers....” doesn’t make anyone Christian. Christian meant originally a disciple of Jesus. And a disciple of Jesus is a person who remains in the teachings of Jesus, which include the idea “love your enemy”.
Jesus therefore said to those Jews who had believed him, "If you remain in my word, then you are truly my disciples. You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."
John 8:31-32
But I tell you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat you and persecute you, that you may be children of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and the unjust.
Mat. 5:44-45
Atheists don’t follow Jesus, so it is more likely they do some unloving things.
The Devil, you say!Paula White: Christians Must Pray That “Satanic Pregnancies” End in Miscarriage
Paula White: Christians Must Pray That “Satanic Pregnancies” End in Miscarriage
The Devil!, you say.....
There's a problem with your assumption that we design weapons toI heard atheists argue atheists are just as moral as theists. But I am not sure this is true in general. Many scientists work on weapons designed to destroy humanity.
ARE scientists mostly atheists? Is there any kind of survey on that? (Oops, I see this has been answered and that my suspicions about it were well-founded.)I heard atheists argue atheists are just as moral as theists. But I am not sure this is true in general. Many scientists work on weapons designed to destroy humanity. Scientists are mostly atheists, and many scientists are engineering weapons of mass death. Then can I conclude there something inherently missing from the way atheists believe?
It seems to me someone could use their religious beliefs as a way of seeing working on weapons of mass death as being immoral, and therefore, a person with religious beliefs might not create such evil weapons in the first place because of the potential consequences as held by the religious beliefs.
If nothing is sacred then why have any reverence for life?
I heard atheists argue atheists are just as moral as theists. But I am not sure this is true in general. Many scientists work on weapons designed to destroy humanity. Scientists are mostly atheists, and many scientists are engineering weapons of mass death. Then can I conclude there something inherently missing from the way atheists believe?
It seems to me someone could use their religious beliefs as a way of seeing working on weapons of mass death as being immoral, and therefore, a person with religious beliefs might not create such evil weapons in the first place because of the potential consequences as held by the religious beliefs.
If nothing is sacred then why have any reverence for life?
One curiosity about that report is that significantly more chemists seem to have a religious belief than physicists, earth scientists or biologists and medical scientists. Food for thought there - for me at least!When one starts with a faulty premise, one ends with a faulty conclusion.
A 2009 poll conducted by Pew Research shows 51% of scientists believe in either God or a universal spirit/higher power.
View attachment 36530
Additionally, only 17% identify as atheists.
View attachment 36531
Scientists and Belief
I see the opposite. Since their morality is dictated by scripture or preachers,I think people who practice a religion tend to contemplate the morality of their and other people's behaviors far more than people who do not practice a religion.
Perhaps it's because physics & biology in particular are more likelyOne curiosity about that report is that significantly more chemists seem to have a religious belief than physicists, earth scientists or biologists and medical scientists. Food for thought there - for me at least!
Could be, I suppose. But that would only be threatening to the fairly small subset of believers who are creationists. Though, actually, thinking about it, this survey was done in the USA, where creationism seems to be far more prevalent than elsewhere.Perhaps it's because physics & biology in particular are more likely
to pose challenges to traditional religious belief than chemistry.
You know....cosmology, origin of the universe, evolution...threatening
stuff to many believers.
That's a very biased presumption. People choose to adhere to a religious moral code because they believe it represents their ethical imperatives. The fact that the conceptual mechanics of religions make that decision easier to recognize and to follow in the long term doesn't negate the earnestness or awareness of that decision.I see the opposite. Since their morality is dictated by scripture or preachers,
they tend to not think about it. They have no need. But we heathens have
no authoritative source, so we must contemplate it.
That is interesting. Do you have any insights as to why that is the case?One curiosity about that report is that significantly more chemists seem to have a religious belief than physicists, earth scientists or biologists and medical scientists. Food for thought there - for me at least!