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QUOTE]quote=MaddLlama]Speaking as an outsider, and someone who has been evangelized in many many ways, I can tell you Roli that the number of people who would consider your message and convert is very very low. People who spew Bible verses out of every orifice are not very well respected, because nobody really wants to be beaten with a message, especially not beaten with a message of love (because, badgering and treating people that way doesn't seem very loving).
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I am sorry you feel that way, however
I don't beat people up with the word of God as you have vehemnetly concluded,it does an excellent job all on it's own to everyone of us,at different times in our life
Whether the gospel was shared by me or by a little christian missionary grandmother in Africa.It still irritates,offends and causes people to become enraged.
Remember, this one thing if nothingelse, I don't convert you,that is God's job
I don't sit here spewing out verses to sound or look good as you state,to knock you down,trust me I would be expelled long time ago, it's more times then not, to validate the conversation or point I am making or when people talk about the bible and what Jesus did or said ,it's then I bring scripture in.
I'd rather be accused of sharing too many of Jesus' words then my own ideas and opinions and get lost in the realm of thought and personal views.
The christian and his beliefs have been misinterpreted,exploited,defamed,
maligned,slandered,criticised etc for ever.
It always will be,there is never going to be a candy coated gospel that is pleasurable to hear and brings no offense, unless a sect rises up and creates their own version of scripture and that happens everyday.
That type of gospel message only passivies and strokes the individual .
Jesus said himself,they only hear what their itching ears want to heaR
They hate the light of truth and won't allow themselves to hear it because it exposes their deeds,that si why the gospel brings outrage and offense,it exposes sin in hearts
Sorry for me standiing my ground in some instances and defending,clarifying and expounding on certain points,and I will give no excuse for using scritpure.
Maybe your on the wrong forum here, maybe you need to go to New age,conservative,no hassel,politcally correct, forum.
The gospel is not user freindly to many and therfore offensive.
If you want a thread on the theological concepts forum that is not a surgar coated,non offensive,relative forum please start one and disallow the christain who many may even call, extremist.
Not that I am here to offend ,again that gospel message does it on it's own
No offense,but you forget what forum your on and what thread your involved with.
I may not be a favorite here,but neither are the christians around the world ,have you read anything on the persecution of christians around the world and why such horrific things are done to them,was it their fault or the message they declare and the gospel they defend and believe in,
The problem in Jesus day was most certainly not Jesus ,as many would attempt to attribute,but the offense,uncomfortability and outrage the messsage brought
My opinions and perspectives are valid and quite oftened shared,but when I share a verse, if it insults you rememebr it's not me your offended at.
You can direct it towards me but in the end it will be clear that it was never in the messenger,it seldom is,but more so a battle on the inside of everyone of us.
I don't do the converting here,will you ever understand that.
The gospel message is offensive,even if it's only one verse, it will cut to the heart and offend even those who would otherwise not be moved by such a small matter.
People are offended around the world at a mother of 2 who reads her bible and shares it with her neighbors,why is she so violently attacked and killed,because she did something wrong , no it's who she is and what she believes in that provokes her a
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If you reject the gospel,it's not anyone's fault,so please don't blame me and make me appear as if I am attacking you,it only appears that way
The Christians I respect, and who have taught me to respect rather than loathe Christianity are the ones who live by example - thier words reflect their actions and their actions reflect their words. They live Jesus' message, instead of shouting it at people.
Tell me what have these things done for you in regards to,salvation, turning to Jesus,are you saved,have you turned your life over to him,if not, why ,what is it in your life that keeps you from surrendering to him,please don't blame me ,the church ,other christians,the bible,the tv,your job,etc.
I would like your answer on this ,seriously !!
You read like a Chick Tract, and nobody but Christians like, or read those.
If you really have your heart set on winning souls, then you should probably listen to the people you're trying to convert.
Why don't non christians,go to church, read the bible ,tracts,watch christian TV,please enlighten me.
Trust me, I listen, I see and I hear, alot.
It's toally ironic that you want to conform and convert the christian to your way of thinking and reasoning no differently then you think they are trying to convert you.
But what happens when a christian does not conform to your thinking
Do you bash him,insult him,make false accusations towards him.
I don't find myself doing that to you, but merely standing my ground.
It's very easy. You seem to be in the minority of people who appear to be avangelizing in every post. Take some time to stop typing and actually read some posts from your fellow Christians of all stripes, and compare that with what you say, and you'll figure out the answer to that question.
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Maybe it only seems that way to you,the number of christians who profess to be are sledom what they profess when confronted with an argument,or an opportunity to defend the gospel.
It's always easier to go with the grain then against the grain, as I often see here in this forum ,
I am not specifically centring you out but maybe you never get personally challenged by many of these christains.
Not that it's always the place to be challenged,but many threads present that scenario
As long as they are conformed to your ideas of what christianity is everything is kosher, but what if what they suggest conflicts with that train of thought ,what does that do to you,is this how you resort to opposition
You know there are alot of people who call themselves christians ,but won't cross the line of political correctness to stand their ground,they just won't, but there are many on this forum who I see are standing ground and defending the message of the gospel.
