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Featured Do non believers EXPECT there must be someone in certain circumstances ?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by chinu, Sep 16, 2020.

  1. oldbadger

    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    I don't think that Nature seeks justice, chinu.
    I think Nature seeks survival and replication.
    In fact I think that the plants, fishes, flies and animals are neither above nor below law........... they just 'are'.

    No...... driver was drunk and careless. :D
    But the thing is, we are all the victims and beneficiaries of accidents.
    If my Dad had been a billionaire I would probably be a bit wealthier...... etc.

    Pol Pot of Cambodia decided that his country's (and his own) main enemies were the academic middle classes.......... So he ordered the mass murders of millions of his people...... only 40 years ago.

    A famous film titled 'The Killing Fields' tells the story of one survivor, called Mr Pran, who escaped and then worked for a New York Newspaper.

    I'm quite sure that there will be RF members who can improve and enlarge upon my description. :)
     
  2. stvdv

    stvdv Well-Known Member

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    Seems to me, that @chinu took God out of the equation, to make it easier to focus. You put God in again, why?
     
  3. chinu

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    Do you think there must be some solution to all these accidents ?
     
  4. stvdv

    stvdv Well-Known Member

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    Maybe take justice in your own hands. Because justice must prevail, doesn't it. That's what Dharma is all about.
     
  5. chinu

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    No. its NOT putting again. Its like giving double confirmation. :)
     
  6. chinu

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    For example ?
     
  7. stvdv

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    Seems to me both:)
     
  8. oldbadger

    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    Gain as much wisdom as possible to avoid them, and for the rest, learn to accept what fate brings to you.

    This morning I trod on a nail which pierced my shoe and foot. I don't know how the nail got to be where it was...... I didn't try to blame anybody and I didn't blame my God....... :)
     
  9. stvdv

    stvdv Well-Known Member

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    Now you are asking me to go deep into the mind of "what an Atheist might think". Not sure if I want to go there:D
     
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    I expect people who accuse someone of something and seek justice, to present sufficient evidence of guilt in order to get them convicted.

    If such evidence isn't forthcoming, I don't expect any conviction to take place.
    This, to me, is common sense.

    I prefer some guilty people to walk free over innocent people being convicted.
    What I would ultimately prefer, is obviously perfect justice. But I realise that that isn't feasible.
    The best we can do, is try to approach perfection as best as possible.

    Yes, sometimes people do bad things and get away with it.



    Let's flip the script.
    Some guy spends his live raping and killing dozens of people. He then "repents" and gets saved and enjoys an eternity in paradise. Is that better then?
     
  11. lewisnotmiller

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    I'm not a massive Kipling fan, but I do quite like that piece.
    Well played sir.
     
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  12. chinu

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    But, the word avoid and accident doesn't sounds appropriate together. Accident means accident, its something we were NOT really aware of, and it happened.

    Yes this correct.

    Of course, this is an accident.

    But, suppose a case where A & B are lovers. and C murdered B because don't want to see them together. This is NOT an accident. Does it ?
     
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    Hey, at least you're assuming we have depth. Most people assume I'm as shallow as a puddle. I blame my mum for spreading that rumour.
     
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    And has been answered.
     
  15. SomeRandom

    SomeRandom Still learning to be wise

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    The question was about what god does or does not have to do with justice.
    Removing god from the equation at the start seems like a red herring.
     
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  16. SomeRandom

    SomeRandom Still learning to be wise

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    I did. An atheist would have not have to worry about what a non existent deity thinks about justice. Since the entity does not exist in the first place. It’s like asking a grown up what the Easter Bunny’s thoughts are on existentialism.
    But I’ll be sure to ask what Santa Clause thoughts are on nihilism next Christmas, if you like. Just as fruitful, I assure you.
     
  17. stvdv

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    Yes, Atheists have depth:). Hence my reply. Because I was asked to give an example of what Atheists think. That is one problem, as I am not an Atheist. But the bigger problem will be, when the Atheists! reply telling me "you can't generalize what Atheists think". And usually I can hold my breath, being asked to explain what I said on their account. Hence I said "I don't know if I want to go there";)....having to explain all kind of "deep" questions; it's so early in the morning here, not ready yet for deep questions:)
     
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  18. stvdv

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    I am vegetarian, so I don't like being fed red herrings. I get your point
    You might be right here, I did get this feeling too. Time (@china) will explain
    It could be just trying to see, how an Atheist deals with injustice when not punishable
     
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  19. bobhikes

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    That's life you have to deal with it and move on. You are victim everyday of somebody else ego's maybe someone cut you in line, maybe someone cut you off while driving, maybe someone interrupted your speech or derailed your debate. You deal with and most likely forget about it. With an extreme wrong it maybe hard to brush it aside even with believing in God because you may start feeling god is unjust but anyone that can put it off until the next life can put it off in this life without needing punishment in the next. They may not like it and it may be a sore spot as they move on but to live they have accept it and move on.

    In most religions anyway your supposed to forgive your wrongs not hold the people accountable for punishment in the next life. Even the criminal hanging next to Jesus was forgiven and got to heaven, were the people he wronged mad because of it.
     
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  20. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    God, no, how about Harry Potter?

    Courts, yes. They don't always work though.
     
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