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Featured Do non believers EXPECT there must be someone in certain circumstances ?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by chinu, Sep 16, 2020.

  1. chinu

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    Scenario: somebody did something very very wrong with you without any reason. You being the victim went to the court for justice, but, failed to provide any solid evidence/proofs to court to punish that accused. Person exonerated from the court.

    No God exist at all. Fine.

    But, taking the above scenario into consideration, do non-believers EXPECT that there must be someone to provide them justice ?
     
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    I think that would just be a sign that our legal justice system sometimes makes mistakes. What does that have to do with God? :shrug:
     
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  3. chinu

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    Of course. sometimes out legal justice make mistakes when there aren't enough proofs/evidences. Its quite understood from the scenario I gave.

    Please answer the original question if you are interested.
     
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    osgart Nothing my eye, Something for sure

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    No, I expect that people want freedom and justice. So my hope is that humans are wise enough to uphold what is true, and never waiver from that.

    Of course all things human is fallible.

    And human nature can go two ways, truthful, or malicious, honest, or deceitful.
     
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    Of course not. How could I possibly expect something that I have no reason to believe exists to provide justice, or anything else for that matter? That would be like you saying that you don't believe that little green men from Mars exist, but you expect that they'll find a cure for the common cold.
     
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    Suppose mistaken ?
     
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    You mean you are relax with injustice ?
     
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    Why would non-believers EXPECT anything from a God they do not believe exists?
    If you asked do non-believers HOPE that there might be a God to provide them justice I would understand that.

    As a believer, I always HOPE God will get the bad guys after they die and give them what they deserve.
     
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    osgart Nothing my eye, Something for sure

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    As it turns out I am often letdown by what happens in reality.
     
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    Common cold will cease to exist after cured by doctors.

    But, injustice happened, and will remain with the person until get justice.
     
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    Where did you get that idea? I would LOVE for every single wrongdoer to be brought to justice. But my desire to see justice done doesn't automatically mean that some god being exists that's going to fulfill that desire.

    It would be like if you spent your entire life wanting human doctors to find a cure for cancer, but you don't believe that little green men for mars exist. If I ask you if you EXPECT little green men from Mars to find us a cure for cancer and you say no, does that mean you're 'relax' with cancer? Of course not! It simply means that your desire to see a cure for cancer found isn't going to cause you to pretend like you expect beings from Mars that don't exist to come and provide a cure.
     
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    I asked do they Expect God, NOT something from God that already exist. Of course that will pre-conclude the existence of God, but I didn't asked that.

    Moreover I also mentioned in OP: "No God exist at all. Fine."

    Please re-read. You misread OP.
     
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    Come on, chinu... are you really that disingenuous? Do you have to always do a silly little side step instead of just answering a simple question?

    Would it be logical for you to expect beings from Mars that you don't believe exist to find a cure for ANYTHING? If not, why would it in any way be logical for me to expect a being I don't believe exists to dispense justice?
     
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    You are welcome to say that. But, you missed to say that in your previous reply, thank you.
     
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    Okay.
     
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    I mean, why to unnecessarily believe in something when we already have the solution.
     
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    well, if no man will step up and demonstrate justice, then one can conclude that there is no godly spirits in any people involved....since justice did not prevail.....or maybe it is a game where everything isn't rigged and truly random crud happens for no reason at all....but the book of Job raises some nasty suspicions about that too.
     
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    You just REFUSE to answer a simple question, don't you? And instead you make seriously IGNORANT statements like we ALREADY HAVE a cure for cancer.

    The questions are SIMPLE.

    1. Why would you POSSIBLY expect ANYTHING from something you have no reason to believe exists?

    2. If you DON'T expect anything from things you don't believe exist, why would you assume anyone else would?

    PLEASE, just answer those 2 simple questions... no side stepping... no bringing up ANYTHING else but the two questions at hand.
     
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    There may cases in which people get justice from court, and there are many cases where people don't get. How do you look at this ?
     
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    No. The two topics (justice and belief in God) are unrelated. :shrug:

    I would let it go. Unless I was absolutely sure of the person’s guilt, and they had done something truly heinous. Then vigilantism may be necessary.
     
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