This reply wasn't to you. And I already replied to your funny argument.What does symbolism have to do with the Speaker issue?
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This reply wasn't to you. And I already replied to your funny argument.What does symbolism have to do with the Speaker issue?
Good enough for what?Is the "Almighty" good enough for you?
It refers to God.doppelgänger;2588264 said:Good enough for what?
I don't care one way or the other. My point was simply that the little pun about Jesus' divinity based on ego eimi doesn't work in Hebrew - only in Greek. As for the authors claiming Jesus is "God" I personally don't doubt that's the way it comes out in "John". Through the lens of theism, I think it's an utterly nonsensical statement, but I appreciate that some people think it actually means something. Aside from its mystical implications, claims for the divinity of Jesus filtered through theism seem inescapably idolatrous and nonsensical to me. But hey, that's just me (and maybe a few others).It refers to God.
Sad to hear sodoppelgänger;2588285 said:I don't care one way or the other...
Don't be sad for me and I won't be sad for you. Deal?Sad to hear so
Again you're jumping elsewhere, but how difficult is it to read this:
Revelation is symbolic.
lolThen you...
No, I hope God opens everybody's eyes and touches their hearts, me included.doppelgänger;2588321 said:Don't be sad for me and I won't be sad for you. Deal?
Ah, okay, you officially speak for God then and think it's your business to decide whether I have the right truth or not when you don't even know me.No, I hope God opens everybody's eyes and touches their hearts, me included.
My friend did you read my post well?doppelgänger;2588356 said:Ah, okay, ...
Yes I did. And the rest of your post and your need to tell me that you feel "sad" for me when you don't even know me, what I think or why it works for me, shows you don't believe that to be the case. Compounding your blasphemy with a little dishonest double-speak.My friend did you read my post well?
Did you see this : "me included"
I don't like getting into meaningless discussions, so this is going to by my last reply to you.doppelgänger;2588366 said:Yes I did. And the rest of your post and your need to tell me that you feel "sad" for me when you don't even know me, what I think or why it works for me, shows you don't believe that to be the case. Compounding your blasphemy with a little dishonest double-speak.
I've had a great many very negative experiences with family members who act this way - all of whom were Evangelical Christians who allowed their religious views to pollute their relationships. I have little or no patience for it any more. I'm genuinely glad that your beliefs make you feel fulfilled, happy, etc. even though they don't work for me, that doesn't change that I know they work for you right now. My request for a "deal" was simply that you show me the same courtesy. If you really had any humility about your faith, the easy answer to my question was "yes."I didn't say I'm sad for you. You either misunderstood, or I didn't put it in the right words.
Anyway, if I offended you, I apologize.
Peace
lol
At last you saw it!
Words like 'coming', 'ho on', 'first and last', 'pierced', ... are clear.
Many themes, like the ones you mentioned, are symbolic.
I've already given two examples, you ignored the one and and refused the other.
Oh please....
(Revelation 1:7-8 [NIV])
Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."
Two interesting points here, let's examine the underlined words:
1-"who is to come":
From Revelation 1:7 (shown above), the one who is coming was pierced, which is Jesus Christ.
(Revelation 22:20 [NIV]) He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.
(Matthew 16:27 [NIV]) For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done.
2-"who is":
Check this verse in Greek:
(Revelation 1:8 [TR])
εγω ειμι το α και το ω αρχη και τελος λεγει ο κυριος ο ων και ο ην και ο ερχομενος ο παντοκρατωρ
"who is" in Greek is"ο ων" (or the Being)
ων is from the verb εἰμί (to be):
verb, present, active, participle, singular, nominative, masculine
Where else do we see "ο ων" without predicate?
(Exodus 3:13-14 [NIV]) Moses said to God, "Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is his name?' Then what shall I tell them?" God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.' "
In Greek:
(Exodus 3:14 [LXX]) και ειπεν ο θεος προς μωυσην εγω ειμι ο ων και ειπεν ουτως ερεις τοις υιοις ισραηλ ο ων απεσταλκεν με προς υμας
Given 1 and 2
Then Jesus is God
Another (given by javajo) in a previous post here:
(Revelation 1:17-18 [NIV])
When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades. and have the keys of hell and of death.
Checking the underlined words:
1-I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever!:
This is Jesus since he says he was dead.
2-I am the First and the Last:
(Isaiah 44:6 [NIV]) This is what the LORD says-- Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.
Again, given 1 and 2
Then Jesus is God.
You can ask him when you see him.Why does Paul refer to Jesus as the "Last Adam"?
You look like you have a poor short term memory asking the same questions and repeating the same arguments that I already answered over and over again.
Read my previous replies before asking the same questions again.
Your argument that 'Amen' has to end someone's speech is just another funny argument.
If you saw them, then you like you're have problems understanding them, or maybe you don't even want to.I saw..