This reply wasn't to you. And I already replied to your funny argument.
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Did Jesus say he was God???
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doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
Good enough for what?
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
I don't care one way or the other. My point was simply that the little pun about Jesus' divinity based on ego eimi doesn't work in Hebrew - only in Greek. As for the authors claiming Jesus is "God" I personally don't doubt that's the way it comes out in "John". Through the lens of theism, I think it's an utterly nonsensical statement, but I appreciate that some people think it actually means something. Aside from its mystical implications, claims for the divinity of Jesus filtered through theism seem inescapably idolatrous and nonsensical to me. But hey, that's just me (and maybe a few others).
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
Don't be sad for me and I won't be sad for you. Deal?
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
Then you failed to "prove" your point. You can't show, using your scripture, that Yeshua is "God" because by your logic...."Revelation is symbolic"......
The main question the OP raised has been answered. "Did Jesus say he was God?"....NO. Nowhere in your scripture did he ever say such a thing.
lol
At last you saw it!
Words like 'coming', 'ho on', 'first and last', 'pierced', ... are clear.
Many themes, like the ones you mentioned, are symbolic.
I've already given two examples, you ignored the one and and refused the other.
(Matthew 13:13 [NIV])
This is why I speak to them in parables: "Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. 14 In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: " 'You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. 15 For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.'
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
Ah, okay, you officially speak for God then and think it's your business to decide whether I have the right truth or not when you don't even know me.
This is why I find Christianity in its mainstream forms to be usually disrespectful, blasphemous and obnoxious. Though I appreciate you think your intentions are good, you make your religion seem repugnant to me.
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
Yes I did. And the rest of your post and your need to tell me that you feel "sad" for me when you don't even know me, what I think or why it works for me, shows you don't believe that to be the case. Compounding your blasphemy with a little dishonest double-speak.
doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
I've had a great many very negative experiences with family members who act this way - all of whom were Evangelical Christians who allowed their religious views to pollute their relationships. I have little or no patience for it any more. I'm genuinely glad that your beliefs make you feel fulfilled, happy, etc. even though they don't work for me, that doesn't change that I know they work for you right now. My request for a "deal" was simply that you show me the same courtesy. If you really had any humility about your faith, the easy answer to my question was "yes."
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
Oh please....I addressed your supposed understanding of 1:7 and 1:8. You don't even know who John is talking about in those verses. I showed them to you. 1:8 says "God" is coming. Not Yeshua. Both are mentioned separately throughout chapters 1-5. I showed this to you.....
1:7 ends with (amen) and (yes) it is referring to Yeshua but 1:8 is referring to "God". (see. Codex Sinaiticus) also see (rev. 4:8). Remember, 4:8 is referring to "God" on the throne and not Yeshua (the Lamb) who's standing. Shucks, step back to 1:6 and John reveals that Yeshua has a god ("and made us a kingdom, priests to his god....."). You spouting out "symbolic" does not address why John seems to believe Yeshua has a god or why he would quotes Yeshua explicitly stating he has a god (Rev. 3:12).
You look like you have a poor short term memory asking the same questions and repeating the same arguments that I already answered over and over again.
Read my previous replies before asking the same questions again.
Your argument that 'Amen' has to end someone's speech is just another funny argument. I'll give you a hint. Can you spot the word 'Amen' that doesn't come at the end of someone's speech:
You can ask him when you see him.
If we're done discussing the previous point, we may discuss other points.
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
I saw your answers which is why the debate continues.
I read them. The reasoning was circular. No need to read the reasoning again.
Never did I say it "has to end".
If you saw them, then you like you're have problems understanding them, or maybe you don't even want to.
And you implied that 'amen' ends someone speech, you don't even remember what you said.