...that dharma of nature is eternal and which means existence existed even before the vedic period.
Love & rgds
Surely. Sat-Chit-Ananda is without beginning. But I am not sure whether Chrsitians or others will understand this similarly.
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...that dharma of nature is eternal and which means existence existed even before the vedic period.
Love & rgds
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4. Sanatana dharma is a term which is directly linked to Vaidika dharma and has no meaning outside it. So, de-linking Veda and Sruti from Sanatana dharma is inappropriate, IMO.
There is one way to understand scripture as the printed words. they were not always printed though but they were always words just the same and even before they words they had still existed as a thought form of necessity that intended to become words. This reality too is like printed words, rather tangible, before it existed in physical sense, rules that made it possible were existing perfectly and inevitabily, as well intending to realize themselves as this physical world that we see before us like a printed word.
Ehem.
Dhammapada 1:5
5. Na hi verena verāni sammantīdha kudācanaṃ 5
Averena ca sammanti esa dhammo sanantano.
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Ya. In the first post the subject was 'dharma'. Then in the subsequent post, shown above, the subject became 'sanatana dharma'
Yes, it was to link the two words to understand that dhrama is eternal without that everyone claims dharma to belong to a particular time/space/group of people/etc.
On this matter, I follow Knachi Paramacharya's views given in his book "Hindu Dharma". I note a few points from that book.
1. "Dharma is that which protects. Everyone, irrespective of any other thing, will be attracted to dharma because of discontentment with all things material".
As we see above that dharma is eternal and to be in tune with the laws of nature one is always in a balance and so is always on safe grounds.
Dharma Alone Protects from the Chapter "Religion In General", in Hindu Dharma : kamakoti.org:
2."Religion is the means of realizing dharma, artha, kama and moksa. These four are called purusarthas". And "The great understand the word dharma itself to mean religion."
Yes religion is a means and not an end in itself. It needs little deeper understanding of what it means by 'dharma itself is religion' it simply means that one should be religious about following the laws of nature that is eternal. If one stills the mind such individuals are alawys in tune and always following that dharma and that is their religion.
The Purpose of Religion from the Chapter "Religion In General", in Hindu Dharma : kamakoti.org:
3. Hindu Religion is a religion without a name. Neither Hindu nor Sanatana words characterise this religion as in Vedas. It is Santana dharma as it is primeval. We do not know who founded this religion and when.
Words are just labels for understanding. IT is nameless and since it is a 'way of life' and so no words characterises it. This eternal law is without beginning has been realised by enlightened people and there revelations are the basis of the vedas. So vedas are only confirming that dharma or laws of nature is eternal. Since the enlightened people from whom the vedas originate too were nameless and so vedas cannot be said to have founders. Buddhism, Christinalty, Islam, Jainsim etc. all have founders as they went on to realise or be enlightened following a particular way which best suited them according to there background and foreground and revealed that path.
The Religion without a Name from the Chapter "The Vedic Religion: Introductory", in Hindu Dharma : kamakoti.org:
4. There are certain distinctive features of the Sanatana dharma called Hindu dharma.
Yes, Hindu dharma too follows sanatan dharma as so they has to match and in fact every religion matches that eternal dharma.
Distinctive Features of Sanathan Dharama from the Chapter "The Vedic Religion: Introductory", in Hindu Dharma : kamakoti.org:
5. Vedas are the root scriptures. Regarding the nature of the Vedas, the following is said:
All sounds originate in space. From them arose creation. According to science, the cosmos was produced from the vibrations in space. By virtue of their austerities the sages had the gift of seeing the mantras in space, the mantras that liberate men from this creation. The Vedas are apauruseya (not the work of any human author) and are the very breath of the Paramatman in his form as space. The sages saw them and made a gift of them to the world.
No one doubts that and so we as humans with minds have understood that creation is from that Big Bang and we have set up the CERN lab to experiment it and to a certain extent Big Bang is proved.
How can humans authorise anything? We are just part of nature and we been evolved are able to better understand nature and so we are trying to tune with IT and so being parts of nature we simply do our duty even the sages like tress who do not claim the fruits they give as gifts as it is the function of a tree similarly the function of sages is to only act as mediums to take [intuitively understand] from nature and automatically it grows out as fruits that others can share.
The Religion without a Name from the Chapter "The Vedic Religion: Introductory", in Hindu Dharma : kamakoti.org:
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The whole point is that the Sanatana Dharma has lot many distinctive features that are surely different from other religions. And this is as per the dharma guru of Hindus. And if one studies genuine Hindu gurus the views will remain more or less same.
My dear friend do recall that Mohammud too was in the caves with Allah/God/Brahman/nature and he too heard what HE said and then came back to share the messages with the people.
Similarly Moses and other Christian prophets too spoke with God and shared the arrival of the messiah.
Sanatana dharma or Vaidika dharma or Hindu dharma has both General (sAmanya) and the Particular (vishesha) features.
How difficult is it for a person to ask themselves if they are after Truth or if they are after Victory? A modicum of contemplation on this will reveal that trying to game the system for victory leads away from truth and into illusion--trying to project something that isn't there or wasn't there in the first place is the very definition of illusion-making.<...>
I am not saying that there is no Perennial way. Surely there is. But how does mAyA clouded mind discern it, without scriptural or without Guru's help?
Hope I am a bit more clear. And hope you are no more angry.
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I am not saying that there is no Perennial way. Surely there is. But how does mAyA clouded mind discern it, without scriptural or without Guru's help?
Sanatan dharma includes all humans and cannot be claimed by any particular set because they coined the word.
Love & rgds
wanted to discuss the word threadbare.If that is what you wanted to conclude,
Yes, if you speak from the heart and in Oneness.it is Okay.
Reason had explained earlier.as noted, the thread began with 'dharma' you later coined 'sanatana dharma'
No, was not there when the word got coined.It is your perspective.
The above are from Hindu gurus.Not of Hindu dharma gurus.
I said, he didn't recommended.The Buddha was certainly aware of the writing of the Triptaka, so it is clear that he did not disapprove of scriptures.
I don't understand what are you trying to say.Pointing out "There is Moon" does not involve much understanding. But without the scripture pointing that out there is no way for the mind to intuit something beyond it.
I said, he didn't recommended.
There's a lot of difference between recommending and disapproving something, Luis.
Suppose a driving school says..
We don't disapprove that one cannot learn driving just with the help of books, But we recommend that learing practical in the school is the best becuase books are just wastage of time.
We are in agreement, That's very Good !We are in agreement, actually. Except that I would write "waste" except of "wastage".
IMHO, yes, even then. Because there is no guarantee that those who will read them will understand them.Even if your caste is not allowed to study the scripture?
Words detail dharma. Dharma is action. Do bad words help the society?If words are Dharma, than why not bad-words are dharma ?
Well, Jesus studied the law. Allah told Mohammad all that was required to be known.As far as i know, all the great masters of the history never readed any scripture.
He created a new set to be studied.Perhaps, at last he found that reading scripture is just wastage of time.
IMHO, that is a good beginning... innocent people start bowing their heads infront of scriptures like as scripture itself is God and they start bringing gifts and all that for scriptures
I don't understand what are you trying to say.
Zen masters say that they only give a direction which is shown by 'pointing a finger towards the moon' so it means the master is simply pointing towards a direction and one has to observe the situation in totality but what happens that students who cannot 'intuit' they will catch the finger that is the will feel that the guru is important or they will watch the moon and take that enlightenment has to do with the moon when the reality is nothing to do with either the guru or the moon it is to inwards and through understanding transcend the thinking mind.Pointing out "There is Moon" does not involve much understanding. But without the scripture pointing that out there is no way for the mind to intuit something beyond it.