Desert Snake
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Not sure....words are defined by usage sometimes.
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Can there be dharma without scriptures?
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Not sure....words are defined by usage sometimes.
chinu
chinu
Agree.
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chinu
Whatever.
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chinu
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Whatever.
Exactly.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
if there is a God or Gods or Goddesses.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
That establishes that dharma was made by humans. Detailing dharma needs words.Humans made words.
Words didn't made humans.
Ravi500
Active Member
It is possible for one who is blessed with an exceptional intellect and ability, solid emotional maturity , deep sensitivity and depth of feeling, to understand dharma and adhere to it.
However such people are a microscopic minority, as is genius is in other fields, and hence it is prudent thus to study scriptures under a qualified teacher for the vast majority to understand dharma.
As Bodhidharma himself stated," If you don't find a teacher soon, you'll live this life in vain. It's true, you have the buddha-nature, but without the help of a teacher you'll never know it. Only one person in a million becomes enlightened without a teacher's help."
However such people are a microscopic minority, as is genius is in other fields, and hence it is prudent thus to study scriptures under a qualified teacher for the vast majority to understand dharma.
As Bodhidharma himself stated," If you don't find a teacher soon, you'll live this life in vain. It's true, you have the buddha-nature, but without the help of a teacher you'll never know it. Only one person in a million becomes enlightened without a teacher's help."
Makaranda
Active Member
Everything needs words to detail and explain it. It doesn't, therefore, mean that words create everything. Silly logic.
Dharma is eternal because all beings are eternal, and because the universe itself is eternally manifested, sustained, and dissolved.
The scriptures are revelations of what is and isn't dharma.
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Desert Snake
Veteran Member
No=one stated that words created anything. Of course that's ridiculous.
zenzero
Its only a Label
Friend Ravi,
The point of discussion was about dharma being eternal and scriptures are revelations by humans and so sanatan dharma is a word to understand that about this eternal law which existed from eternity and will go on till eternity irrespective of evolution of Beings including humans and ahead.
Revelations of this eternal law by humans could have started during vedic period and so another word got coined termed 'vedic dharma' which as you say is helpful for most people following the way but not all as the revelation themselves have been people who never had anything to go by in terms of scriptures to rely on.
It must also be understood that through evolution every human too will be enlightened as explained that humans too follow the dharma even unknowingly because if he does not he will get ill or get jailed or rejected etc. thereby losing balance in life. By following dharma one simple maintains balance in life to be able to help evolution to complete its journey HERE-NOW! In effect followers revolutionise the process of evolution.
Love & rgds
The point of discussion was about dharma being eternal and scriptures are revelations by humans and so sanatan dharma is a word to understand that about this eternal law which existed from eternity and will go on till eternity irrespective of evolution of Beings including humans and ahead.
Revelations of this eternal law by humans could have started during vedic period and so another word got coined termed 'vedic dharma' which as you say is helpful for most people following the way but not all as the revelation themselves have been people who never had anything to go by in terms of scriptures to rely on.
It must also be understood that through evolution every human too will be enlightened as explained that humans too follow the dharma even unknowingly because if he does not he will get ill or get jailed or rejected etc. thereby losing balance in life. By following dharma one simple maintains balance in life to be able to help evolution to complete its journey HERE-NOW! In effect followers revolutionise the process of evolution.
Love & rgds
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Friend ZenZero,
Thank you for that very understandable definition of what Dharma means.
Thank you for that very understandable definition of what Dharma means.
Hello Zenzero
What you want to show? Even for showing the meaning of 'dharma' you have used 'dictionary meaning'. Do you wish to show that scriptures are not needed and should be discarded?
Kindly allow me to clarify that Dharma (that Vedas expound) and the Veda itself are not two different things. Veda is the sound body of the primeval Atman. It is called sabdabrahman. It is eternal, Sruti -- heard (and not merely the written words), and "Apaurseya" (not work of any man). And it is eternal just as AUM-OM is.
The Veda, the sabdabrahman, itself is the code of creation, the created, and the way out of it.
My request is to kindly first discard the idea that scripture is something mental. Scripture itself is the sabda (vibrations) that the 'no-mind' state hears.
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Further. It is scripture itself that teaches us "Mind-Word returm from It". Can the mind know about It, without this pointer? Shri Ramana Maharshi, who was the most radical of Indian sages who gave lowest credence to scripture, however, said repeatedly: Without shastra (scripture) te mind will never even know about the Atman (as distinct from the body).
Against the onslaught of materialistic, object based knowledge, the scriptures alone provide pointers to the Truth.
The Veda, the sabdabrahman, itself is the code of creation, the created, and the way out of it.
My request is to kindly first discard the idea that scripture is something mental. Scripture itself is the sabda (vibrations) that the 'no-mind' state hears.
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Further. It is scripture itself that teaches us "Mind-Word returm from It". Can the mind know about It, without this pointer? Shri Ramana Maharshi, who was the most radical of Indian sages who gave lowest credence to scripture, however, said repeatedly: Without shastra (scripture) te mind will never even know about the Atman (as distinct from the body).
Against the onslaught of materialistic, object based knowledge, the scriptures alone provide pointers to the Truth.
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Undocumented.
You forgot to put "In my belief," or "in my opinion."
Even if your caste is not allowed to study the scripture?
Poeticus
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Even if your caste is not allowed to study the scripture?
What? Where and how did you derive
the topic of caste from Atanu's post?
the topic of caste from Atanu's post?
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zenzero
Its only a Label
Friend atanu,
This is a discussion forum and only discussion dharma in force here.
Whatever points have been posted is already there for discussions.
We are all humans which are part of that which we humans have decided to label it as Brahman/God/etc.
We are communicating in English and we consult english dictionary to look up meanings which is understood to have a through research methodology for every word to find its true meaning.
Let us approach step by step as we do in any discussion.
Love & rgds
This is a discussion forum and only discussion dharma in force here.
Whatever points have been posted is already there for discussions.
We are all humans which are part of that which we humans have decided to label it as Brahman/God/etc.
We are communicating in English and we consult english dictionary to look up meanings which is understood to have a through research methodology for every word to find its true meaning.
Let us approach step by step as we do in any discussion.
Love & rgds
Ravi500
Active Member
My sentiments , exactly.
Scriptures are a roadmap to the goal, and there is no need to ignore it. It takes much less time and effort then to reach the goal than when you are attempting a path on your own.
For example, if you are in New York and wish to come to London, you book a flight. Simple as that.
There is no need to 'heroically' built a raft with your bare hands, and set sail across the Atlantic to London.
zenzero
Its only a Label
Friend Ravi,
You may also note that now a days much help is available commercially and many gurus too are professionals so many take the help of professionals and there is nothing wrong till it helps them balance with nature and be a revolutionary as we agree to.
Love & rgds
n.b. In an illusionary world gurus too are illusionary besides everyday we meet gurus of some kind as we learn everyday something from someone.
There is a slight difference here. Followers of the path means those who are tuning themselves with the laws of nature by themselves or taking help of gurus as that is a option which are required depending on the stage of evolution one is at in his present life. Few are still capable of taking the journey with friends as many of us here may not be having gurus but still we are all on the path or atleast in this life it is such.
You may also note that now a days much help is available commercially and many gurus too are professionals so many take the help of professionals and there is nothing wrong till it helps them balance with nature and be a revolutionary as we agree to.
Love & rgds
n.b. In an illusionary world gurus too are illusionary besides everyday we meet gurus of some kind as we learn everyday something from someone.
chinu
chinu
I always use the word "God" for origin from where everthing/everybody started the journey of life in the beginning.
chinu
chinu
If words are Dharma, than why not bad-words are dharma ?