It should be under fiction & creative writing, eh.
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Arkansas inflicts child abuse on its school children
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We Never Know
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Or have religious class option that teaches about all the religions of the world, not just one. And yes I agree religion doesn't belong in science class.
Subduction Zone
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The problem would be a fair representation of religions that the teacher did not believe in.
We Never Know
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Yes. If someone believes in god that doesn't make them uneducated, a liar, clueless, etc.
It simply makes their belief different from others.
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Then that teacher should not teach it.
exchemist
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No, it is you that is making the false statement. Christianity has not taken everything in the Old Testament literally since about 200AD. See Origen.
Biblical literalism is a recent fad, that started to become popular among some extreme Protestant sects in the c.18th and 19th, probably as a result of them insisting on throwing away all the thought of earlier scholars of the church and trying to start all over again, with people of limited education.
Mainstream Christianity treats - and has always treated - some of the OT stories as allegorical, and recognises that there are inevitably inconsistencies in it, since it was written down by different men, subject to the culture of their time, over a long period.
Yet the people who claim to have been taught by the Holy Spirit believe a thousand different contradictory things.
ElishaElijah
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Origen isn’t my authority, he was just a man. Jesus and the Apostles didn’t believe Noah or Genesis to be allegorical.
“As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.”
Matthew 24:37-41 NIV
There are a lot of Scripture references to validate what I say.
As a scientific position, it has been disproved. if you want to go against actual science, then you can imagine anything and believe it.
But what encompasses 'all scripture' was very much at issue for a LONG time. In particular, which books would make it into the Bible was decided by men with certain political positions that they wanted to support.
Many creationist writings are by people that know that what they write is incorrect. Those are lies.
The readers don't, for the most part, know that they are being lied to. They have honestly held beliefs.
ElishaElijah
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Yet the people who claim to have been taught by the Holy Spirit believe a thousand different contradictory things.
It’s easy to discern truth from error, most of the time Scripture interprets Scripture and when something makes sense seek no other sense. Takes some digging for other things and some things just are hidden at the moment.Yet the people who claim to have been taught by the Holy Spirit believe a thousand different contradictory things.
It could happen.
Although intent to defraud hasn't been evidenced in this thread.
The claim seems automatic & ad hoc....mischievous.
BTW, some pro-evolution types have lied too.
But I wouldn't automatically call them all liars.
It's time to justify the claim that people pushing creationism
don't really believe it, but intend to mislead others with lies.
That's what all y'all say...yet using that method, you all wildly disagree when the rubber meets the road.
Heyo
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People, like Ken Ham, who have been corrected about the science of evolution many times, don't have the excuse of being ignorant any more. Yet, they keep on misrepresenting evolutionary science to their audience. I have no problem calling Ken Ham and people working for AiG or the DI liars (or dement) and prove that view.
ElishaElijah
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My testimony of what God has done for me and the things He has shown me are true. I lived all this. First 28 years I lived a self ruled life, ended up in a drug and alcohol rehab realizing that my best efforts failed. I was stuck and called out to God and He showed up and put me on a path where I met Jesus Christ and He did something internally, in my soul and spirit that opened my eyes to the truth of Scripture and it all made sense at that moment. I’ve been walking with God 30+ years now and committed to trusting God and living out His Word in my life. He has been faithful all these years and that’s the truth. Other than people I knew before that and then after know of the change, family, friends etc. Science I don’t think could come close to explaining this change other than denying it happened and somehow I got this power all by myself. And that’s the problem with science, it would deny this and come up with all the reasons it isn’t so. When I got saved I heard all these different views and made it my aim to find out things for myself instead of taking someone’s word or opinion. God’s view is what I want to know.
People don't necessarily believe the corrections given them
by the loyal opposition. I've been "corrected" for my disbelief
in God, & told that I'm dishonest for denying what all humans
know, that God is real, & communicates his Word to us.
We must recognize that there is great diversity of beliefs,
& that we're not liars after having rejected "corrections".
Heyo
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When you are told, by a scientist, verified by multiple sources, that the position of science is X and you tell your audience that the position of science is Y, you are lying. That is not a question of belief.
I know many who trust religion & feelings more than science.
They're sincere in this orientation. But they believe that I'm
not...tis inconceivable that I could deny the obvious existence
of God, & the inerrant truth of the Bible.
In their minds, I'm dishonest.
In your mind, perhaps they're dishonest.
In my mind, we're all honest....but I'm right, & y'all are wrong.
And yet, when you ask a number of people that believe it is easy to discern truth from error in the Bible, you find a variety of opinions on what the truth is. That suggests it is more people reading things *into* the Bible.
But I would agree. Much of the time, the Bible is easy to interpret, given the society and values of those who wrote it. It is also often wrong in details, as shown by science, archeology, and anthropology.