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Featured Arkansas inflicts child abuse on its school children

Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by Altfish, Apr 8, 2021 at 12:45 PM.

  1. Altfish

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    When I was in school I learned evolution, creationism, creation (not the same thing) and even something about life coming from other planets. All of those were presented as theories and the teachers left it up to us to make up our minds when we got older and had a better understanding of all that.
    Didn't hurt me a bit, on the contrary, it was good to know.
     
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    Click bait title, eh.

    I wonder if the legislators imagined how many other
    theories of the Earth's creation could be taught?

    6 wacky creation myths around the world - Matador Network
    Excerpted....
    Chinese Creation Myth: Yet Another Egg?
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    Pan Gu! Pan Gu!

    Heaven and Earth were together at the beginning of time, according to this myth. They were hanging out in a cloud that was, you guessed it, egg shaped.

    But chaos was the name of the game for the universe at that time, and a giant named Pan Gu grew in the middle of it. Only took him 18,000 years of sleeping and developing in the egg until one day, he awoke and stretched. Boom, there went the egg.

    The lighter egg goo, or elements if you want a nicer word, became the sky and heaven, and the heavier, yolkey- stuff became Earth. Pan Gu was a bit tense that the two might combine again, so he decided to do his part and hold the heavens on his head and the Earth underneath his feet.

    Then he continued to grow for a whole other 18,000 years, until finally he felt satisfied when the two were a good 30,000 miles apart. Soon after, he died.

    From his death, the Earth was bequeathed some new stuff – his arms and legs became the directions NSEW and the mountains; his blood the rivers; his sweat, the rain and dew. His voice was now thunder, and his minty-free breath, the wind. All elements of land and water came from his body, with his left eye becoming the sun, and his right eye, the moon.
     
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    There's nothing click bait about it at all. It's totally accurate.

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    I read the quoted law.
    Calling it "child abuse" is mischievous.
    They just want to teach what they believe,
    but the OP doesn't believe. It's wrong for
    a different reason from abuse.

    Is teaching children any religion also child abuse?
    They're all loopy & unscientific after all.
     
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    Facts right here... I've had to spend countless hours educating myself after getting out of religious school, and my knowledge is still lacking. At least it's engendered in me a passion for learning!
     
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    Depends at what cost. How much time is spent focused on each? In my education, I got a few pages of evolution taught as "this is what those guys believe." Everything else was creationism. That doesn't even include all the other messed up things that curriculum taught me. Education should absolutely be regulated, imo.
     
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    I think it's more useful to call it what it is, ie, teaching
    religious myths as science, rather than "child abuse".
     
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    Hmmm... It depends, I suppose. It's definitely negatively effected me and my life (the schooling and religious situation, in the broader senee), but not everyone is so negatively impacted. It'd be interesting to explore the tipping point when it goes from a-ok to abuse.

    For me, religion should only be taught in theology and anthropology classes, imo - at least in public school settings. I don't like the idea of religious schools, but meh...
     
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    I agree that teaching creationism as science
    is a negative thing....just not "child abuse".
     
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    I'm relatively sure it will be challenged to the Supreme Court, where Kitzmiller v. Dover conclusions will be in full effect: Creationism isn't scientific, doesn't meet the criteria of a scientific theory, and doesn't belong in a science class at all.
     
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    What constitutes abuse, then? Is it an act that causes trauma? What about actions that result in events to unfold that cause trauma indirectly? Hmmm...
     
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    If teaching religious tenets to public school children
    is child abuse, then is all teaching of religion to children
    then "child abuse"?
    In both cases, children are below the age of consent,
    & have no choice in the matter. In both cases, they're
    taught things that are are wrong or not even wrong.

    I also note that even teaching science can be child
    abuse. Children pushed to hard suffer from this.
    I've known some.
     
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    I think its inappropriate to teach creationism in a public school, though not abusive.

    If one were to teach creationism properly, they'd have to cover all cultures/religions... that would entail a class in itself. And that might be an interesting class, and would make a good elective.

    Though I do not believe in creationism myself, I would like to see the condescending attitudes towards people who do removed from public school. Teach the facts as facts, the theories as theories, leave the religious or irreligious instruction at home, and let the student decide for themselves.
     
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    True. You make some good points!
     
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    Much like Trump, so many other Pubs don't much care for what's found in the Constitution or what the SCOTUS may decide.
     
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    As put on by the state school board yes. It's abuse.
     
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    If it's not child abuse, it is at least a scam. Calling it "education" is mischievous.

    A child going to university from an Arkansas public school needs to unlearn everything and probably needs an additional introduction course and/or tutoring. S/he may miss a year or two just for re-education.
     
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    As one who grew up in a fundamentalist church that taught us to abhor "evilution", it's a difficult thing to overcome and leave, which I eventually did back in the late 1960's. I so much was involved in that church as a teen that I thought seriously about going into the ministry, but when I asked the pastor whether one could believe in both the Bible and evolution and he said no, that was something I just couldn't accept as science was my thingy.

    Technically, I didn't officially leave the church at that time, but all through my college years I refused to attend that denomination's churches when living for four years in Kalamazoo, but I officially left that church a couple of years after that, mostly over the overt racism there that even the pastor acknowledged was a problem but was unwilling to speak out against it.
     
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