Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Of course. What's even more telling is they 'impeached' with no real evidence other than their pathological bias.
Like Trump said awhile back.
"These people are sick".
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Trump Impeached!
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Like Trump said awhile back.
"These people are sick".
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Ahh. Foreign influence has seeped in by a dead guy who was more racist than David Duke in his heyday.
Subduction Zone
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Nope, wrong. Try again.
Subduction Zone
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You are sounding like a creationist when you say "no real evidence" . The evidence is quite clear. Some of it is undeniable, even to Republicans.
I agree with you that what is happening here, on both sides of the aisle is constitutional. If the House impeaches and the Senate declines to convict, then that must be the way it goes. The constitutional requirements are met, and there's nothing more to say.
I'm also beginning to wonder if it might not actually be better for the House to vote against impeachment (that would require a few dozen Democrats to not toe the party line). I mean, there have definitely been shenanigans on the part of Trump and some of his supporters (Giuliani, for instance), I'm beginning to suspect that this might actually be a pretty weak case. And if that's so, it might be better to shelve the entire thing. The Democrats could easily say, "we saw a duty to investigate, we did so, and we found some things that were dubious, but the majority decided in the end that it wasn't enough to warrant a very disunifying impeachment."
And then everybody could get on with the business of telling Americans why they should be elected in 2020 (rather than harping on why the other guy shouldn't).
Thus actually adding to the swamp that you were promised would be drained. Very, very sad.
It is always an error to judge historical figures by the norms of the present.
Ponder This
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Seems like much ado about nothing.
But I think there is an underlying reason the Democrat leadership has pursued this impeachment despite not gathering sufficient evidence: their party is too far invested into the impeachment narrative. The Democrat base is demanding impeachment and is angry at the Democrat leadership who refuses to support bad impeachment votes in the House. The Democrat leadership has to follow through on their narrative to impeach in order to satisfy their base.
But I think there is an underlying reason the Democrat leadership has pursued this impeachment despite not gathering sufficient evidence: their party is too far invested into the impeachment narrative. The Democrat base is demanding impeachment and is angry at the Democrat leadership who refuses to support bad impeachment votes in the House. The Democrat leadership has to follow through on their narrative to impeach in order to satisfy their base.
Subduction Zone
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You do realize that obstruction of justice alone is an impeachable offense, don't you?
Ponder This
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You do realize that when Pelosi told everyone that she wanted to take the time to do impeachment right she got roasted in the media by her Democrat base, don't you?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
What obstruction? From what?
Making a phone call?
I'd say the real obstruction was the Socialist Democrats interfering with the duties of a sitting president in hopes of a bloodless coup attempt.
He also doesn't want to admit the Socialist Democrats have done the exact same thing in the past, like the time when the Obama Administration asked the Ukraine to investigate Paul Manafort , who was Trump's campaign manager.
Oh Gawd. How minds slip these days.
It makes it clear the intention of the Socialists is not defending and upholding the Constitution themselves. They apparently exempted themselves from all that.
Never trust Socialist Hypocrites.
Speaking only for myself: there is no way I'd want Pence as POTUS. (By his own standards, he can't be alone in a room full of Finland's new government, because they are all female and under 35.)
Subduction Zone
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You man the call where Trump broke the law by asking a foreign country to illegally investigate a political rival? That is what started the investigation. Trump then illegally ordered people that worked for him not to testify. He cannot do that. If you admit that he gave those orders you just admitted that he obstructed Congress. The Constitution gives Congress the power to investigate the President. It is not up to Trump to say what they can and cannot investigate.
Now let's watch the name calling. You as much as admit that you are wrong to do so. No one is calling Trump a fascist, even though that is much more apt than your use of the word socialist.
Manafort was not running for office. Big difference.
Now, now, you just admitted that you are wrong again. See if you can do better next time.
Subduction Zone
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You have heard faster and slower from both sides. So what?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
As long as there is a push for a deep heavily regulated state restricting economic and personal freedoms, controlling means and production of businesses, incrementally establishing a centralized government through a loss of state rights, and rampant out of control nannyism, socialist is not name calling whatsoever. It's stating hard fact. Especially when clearly, there is open admission and affiliations of the Socialist Democrat party that speak volumes for itself.
Democrats are no longer a party of Blue Dogs. It's now a Socialist entity that has infected this country with it's rancid rot.
Incidentally
Manafort was Trump's campaign manager. Digging for dirt to affect an election.
Sounds pretty political to me , but of course, the Socialist Democrats would deny any wrongdoing naturally.
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Subduction Zone
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Nope, just because you don't like something does not make it socialist and that is not the goal of the Democrats at all.
And the Manafort investigation was nothing like what Trump wanted. He wanted the government of Ukraine to publicly announce the investigation. He really did not care about the results, he knew the announcement would harm Biden's campaign. Manafort's investigation was kept quiet until after he resigned and the FBI was closing in. The two are quite different:
FBI and Justice Dept Investigate Manafort's Firm
It is not the investigation that is illegal itself. It is trying to use it as a political tool. He could have had the FBI investigate Biden and it could have been kept private. He did not do that. That is why his investigation was illegal.
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Subduction Zone
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And let's not forget, Trump has ordered his people not to cooperate. Not even Nixon did that. It is Congress' job to investigate the President when they deem it necessary. The President has no say so as to whom they can subpoena. If he was innocent you would think he would encourage testimony.
Ouroboros
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Source? As far as I can tell there's no evidence to this claim.
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