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Very good question. It is interesting to note that in the book of Job, Satan had to ask for permission to "attack" Job. Also in 1 Kings 22:21, an evil spirit came before God and asked if it could be a "lying spirit" in the words of a certain man's prophets. So, we have here strong evidence - not necessarily proof - that it is by God's will that Satan and demons have power.Buttons* said:Often I hear people say, "It's all in God's plan," "This was not in God's plan" "God has a special plan for everyone, and it doesnt include certian things" "We can't know God's plan, but we can know God and what he wants for our lives through the scriptures"... ***?
Do you believe that demons cause all bad things to happen?
I believe (though I haven't found much proof) that Satan exists to give us an option - an option to choose between good and evil. The Bible tells us that the Genesis creation was good. There was no sin and therefore no suffering or death. Why then did God give Adam and Eve the ability to sin, knowing full well that they would sin and bring death and pain to the human race? Some believe that if Adam had been created without the ability to choose, then he would have been a robot. A father cannot make his children love him. They choose to love him because they have a free will. Others point out that humanity would never have seen the depth of the love of God, as displayed in the cross, unless Adam had sinned, and that fact could be on reason why God allowed sin to enter the world.Buttons* said:Often I hear people say, "It's all in God's plan," "This was not in God's plan" "God has a special plan for everyone, and it doesnt include certian things" "We can't know God's plan, but we can know God and what he wants for our lives through the scriptures"... ***?
Couldn't an almighty God simply wish away Satan, blood spilled or not?
If God is omnipresent, is he in your ears?
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First, as I'm sure you are aware, nowhere in the Bible does the word "Trinity" appear. It is a name given to the Father, Son (Jesus), and Holy Spirit collectively. Acts 16:31 says "And they said, 'Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, and your house.'" God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one in the same. They are the Godhead.EiNsTeiN said:Hi everybody, I have some questions for you
1)From where did you conclude the trinity principle?
thank you in advance
John 3:16-17 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should no perish, but have everlasing life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."EiNsTeiN said:Hi everybody, I have some questions for you
2)Did Jesus came for specific people (children of Israel) or to the whole world?
thank you in advance
He certainly did. He died spiritually. The moment he sinned, he became "dead in trespasses and sins" (Ephesians 2:1). Ezekiel 18:4 says "The soul that sins, it shall die." It is because we are born spiritually dead that Jesus came to give us spiritual life (John 5:40; 10:10; 14:6, etc.). This is why Jesus told us that we must be born again (John 3:3). When we repent of our sins and believe in Jesus Christ, the Bible tells us that we "pass from death to life" (John 5:24; Romans 6:13; 1 John 3:14).Bangbang said:Why did'nt Adam die the day he ate the forbidden fruitlike God said he would. He lived to be 930 years old.
Genesis 2:17 (New International Version)
17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."
Just for the readers' information: this interpretation allows Christians to accept evolution and the Genesis account, as well as affirm the full humanity of Adam and Jesus Christ. That is, the punishment for sin is death, not just death, but death as a punishment. A sinless Adam would have still died because he was human and we know that our bodies aren't immortal. He would have died and simply gone to heaven had he not sinned. However, because Adam sinned he died as a punishment for sin, and death takes on theological meaning. This is John Calvin's interpretation (see his commentary on Genesis.Mark1615 said:He certainly did. He died spiritually. The moment he sinned, he became "dead in trespasses and sins" (Ephesians 2:1). Ezekiel 18:4 says "The soul that sins, it shall die." It is because we are born spiritually dead that Jesus came to give us spiritual life (John 5:40; 10:10; 14:6, etc.). This is why Jesus told us that we must be born again (John 3:3). When we repent of our sins and believe in Jesus Christ, the Bible tells us that we "pass from death to life" (John 5:24; Romans 6:13; 1 John 3:14).
Is there anything within Genesis itself to support this view?angellous_evangellous said:Just for the readers' information: this interpretation allows Christians to accept evolution and the Genesis account, as well as affirm the full humanity of Adam and Jesus Christ.
It is an interpretation of Genesis, and I do think that the story sustains this interpretation. God created Adam as a human. Humans are mortal. Adam and Eve both had to eat from the tree of life to live indefinately, but they would die if they did not eat from the tree. They were expelled from the Garden on the day that they sinned, and therefore cut off from the tree of life, fulfilling the judgment of God, "on the day that you eat of the tree you will surely die." So the story itself allows for death before sin (evolution), but not death as punishment for sin.linwood said:Is there anything within Genesis itself to support this view?
the hebrew translated litrerally actualy says "dying, you shall die", it was a spiritual and physical death sentance pronounced by God.Bangbang said:Why did'nt Adam die the day he ate the forbidden fruitlike God said he would. He lived to be 930 years old.
Genesis 2:17 (New International Version)
17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."
Interesting. I never thought of it like that before. However, to be a Christian and accept macroevolution is a whole other story (and thread).angellous_evangellous said:Just for the readers' information: this interpretation allows Christians to accept evolution and the Genesis account, as well as affirm the full humanity of Adam and Jesus Christ. That is, the punishment for sin is death, not just death, but death as a punishment. A sinless Adam would have still died because he was human and we know that our bodies aren't immortal. He would have died and simply gone to heaven had he not sinned. However, because Adam sinned he died as a punishment for sin, and death takes on theological meaning. This is John Calvin's interpretation (see his commentary on Genesis.
Keils and Delitch (sp?) take a different view: Adam was androgenous and immortal until he sinned. AiG also takes this view. Such a view has to reject evolution: no death at all until the first human sins.
One example: John 6:27-51Ibrahim Al-Amin said:I'm new here, and too lazy to read the entire thread. But I just have one simple question: Where in the Bible does Jesus claim divinity?
Thank you.
Perhaps I'm missing what you are saying...before they ate of the tree of life the could have lived forever since God said nothing about the days of their lives being limited. Are you saying that sin is evolution?...the moment they ate of the tree they had sinned against God therefore they not only became mortal but had the realization of that fact and their punishment WAS death.angellous_evangellous said:It is an interpretation of Genesis, and I do think that the story sustains this interpretation. God created Adam as a human. Humans are mortal. Adam and Eve both had to eat from the tree of life to live indefinately, but they would die if they did not eat from the tree. They were expelled from the Garden on the day that they sinned, and therefore cut off from the tree of life, fulfilling the judgment of God, "on the day that you eat of the tree you will surely die." So the story itself allows for death before sin (evolution), but not death as punishment for sin.
John 1:1-4,14: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God...And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us."Ibrahim Al-Amin said:I'm new here, and too lazy to read the entire thread. But I just have one simple question: Where in the Bible does Jesus claim divinity?
Thank you.
I'm not quite sure what you mean.EiNsTeiN said:Thank you Mark1615..
But from what I read from the Bible, I noticed many times that Jesus (peace upon him) mentiond he was sent to children of Israel...I dont remember where exactly in the Bible...
That verse does not say that Yeshua said directly, "i am your lord, bow before me" If Yeshua did actually say that exact quote, then he just said, basically, "in the beginning was the word...the same then is now.... and the word was made into someone that was around us at one point."Mark1615 said:John 1:1-4,14: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God...And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us."
does this mean that God could be a "oneness" within and without us all?Mark1615 said:God would fall under the category "Repletive presence" - infinite objects, God being the only one, are ubiquitous (everywhere simultaneously) and omnipresence given His infinite nature.