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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Mark1615, Jan 27, 2006.

  1. Buttons*

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    .........HE? HE WHO?
     
  2. spacemonkey

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    Don't forget the Gospel of Mary...and what about excluded OT works like the Book of Jubilees or Enoch?
     
  3. Green Gaia

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    ***ADMIN POST***

    Off topic posts were deleted. Let's stay on topic, please.
     
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  4. time_spender

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    Happy to hear the link helpt.
    yes.I knew some Miracles from Bible.My friend (that is Christian) sent it for me.
    Sure Bible has many true helpings in it.
    sojourner:
    This doesnt proove anything. Try to keep it logical.
    i repeat Again:
    I still say that we should not Mix obvious things.If u believe God is ONE and no one is like him u

    cant break the law and make him 3. ur just confusing urself and then ur demonstrating it!!Birth of Jesus has done God's will.Another big Exam to pure the beliefs.
    God wants us to believe in only one thing "He is ONe"
    the birth of JEsus(Pbuh) was a hard exam that seperated those who believe in One God and those who

    trend to believe in more than one!
    Those people that had uncertatainty and doubts in prooving the monotheism will be absorbed to the beliefs that break the law but those who are fixed in the important point will be with Jesus(Pbuh) with Love and trust and with the montheism belief and I will kiss their feet and hands,remeber me in ur prayers!:162:

    Try to talk logical.I,m not satisfied yet!
    PEace and God bless
    ~mohammad
     
  5. muslimbrother

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    Quotes from the bible on Jesus Christ (as):

    "I proceeded forth and came from God, neither came I of myself but He sent me." (John 8:42)

    "I seek not mine own will but the will of the Father which has sent me." (John 5:30)

    When speaking of the Day of Judgment, Jesus clearly gave evidence of a limitation on his knowledge when he said, "but of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the son, but the Father." (Mark 13:32 and Matt 24:36)

    IN ALL OF THESE QUOTES FROM THE BIBLE, Jesus is referring to someone else who is more powerful, has more knowledge, and is greater. Is Jesus God? or do these quotes suit a messenger or prophet better?

    Many prophets said similar quotes as the ones above in Islam, but they referred to God as God, and not Father. Islam has many proofs that it is the religion of God (the Holy Quran being the main one). Christiantiy has many similar teaches, but refer to Jesus as Son of God.

    Read this quote and then ponder the question, is Jesus God or a messenger:

    "Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is God..." (Luke 18:19)
     
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    YOU! :biglaugh:
     
  7. GoldenDragon

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    was my question ever answered?
     
  8. Mark1615

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    If that is what you would like to believe, that is fine. I don't mean to sound like I don't care what you think, but I believe I have given enough evidence for nearly all of everyone's questions.
     
  9. Mark1615

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    Unfortunately, I don't know much about extra-biblical works. But I can continue to stress the validity of the Bible itself.

    The Scriptures make more than 40 references to the great Hittite Empire. However, until on hundred years ago there was no archaeological evidence to substantiate the biblical claim that the Hittites existed. Skeptics claimed that the Bible was in error, until their mouths were suddenly stopped. In 1906, Hugo Winckler uncovered a huge library of 10,000 clay tablets, which completely documented the lost Hittite Empire. We now know that at its height, the Hittite civilization rivaled Egypt and Assyria in its glory and power.

    Following the 1993 discovery in Israel of a stone containing the inscriptions "House of David" and "King of Israel," Time magazine stated, "This writing - dated to the 9th century BC, only a century after David's reign - described a victory by a neighboring king over the Israelites...The skeptics' claim that David never existed is now hard to defend." Time, December 18, 1995

    A hidden burial chamber, dating to the first century, was discovered in 1990 two miles from the Temple Mount. One bore the bones of a man in his 60's, with the inscription "Yehosef bar Qayafa" - meaning "Joseph, son of Caiaphas." Experts believe this was Caiaphas, the high priest of Jerusalem, who was involved in the arrest of Jesus, interrogated Him, and handed Him over to Pontius Pilate for execution.
    A few decades earlier, excavations at Caesarea Maritama, the ancient seat of Roman government in Judea, uncovered a stone slab whose complete inscription may have read: "Pontius Pilate, the prefect of Judea, has dedicated to the people of Caesarea a temple in honor of Tiberius."
    The discovery is truly significant, establishing that the man depicted in the Gospels as Judea's Roman governor had the authority ascribed to him by the Gospel writers. Jeffery L. Sheler, "Is the Bible True?" Reader's Digest, June 2000

    "During the past four decades, spectacular discoveries have produced data corroborating the historical backdrop of the Gospels. In 1968, for example, the skeletal remains of a crucified man were found in a burial cave in northern Jerusalem...There was evidence that his wrists may have been pierced with nails. The knees had been doubled up and turned sideways and an iron nail (still lodged in the heel bone of one foot) driven through both heels. The shinbones appeared to have been broken, perhaps corroborating the Gospel of John" (John 19:31,32). Jeffery L. Sheler, "Is the Bible True?" Reader's Digest, June 2000

    "Clearly the weight of historical and medical evidence indicates that Jesus was dead before the wound to his side was inflicted and supports the traditional view that the spear, thrust between his right rib, probably perforated not only the right lung but also the pericardium and heart and thereby ensured his death. Accordingly, interpretations based on the assumption that Jesus did not die on the cross appear to be at odds with modern medical technology." Journal of the American Medical Society, March 21, 1986.
     
  10. Mark1615

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    Most likely, but I don't remember. If you would like, give a reference to where it is and I will try to answer it.
     
  11. Mark1615

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    I found your post!
    I honestly have no idea if there is anything more to the loin cloth or if it means anything. I would guess not, but I'd like to research myself. Good question. Sorry that I don't know the answer.
     
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  12. Mark1615

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    No more questions!?!? :shout

    Did I answer them all, or did I give crappy answers and no one wants to deal with me anymore?;)
     
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    I don't want to read the 151 posts before this one, so I apologize if these questions have been asked:

    1) Is everyone happy in heaven?
    2) If you are admitted to heaven can you get kicked out?
    3) Will you have freewill in heaven?
     
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    ... dude, im a girl
     
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    that one *smiles*
     
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    After highlighting my favorite post on this thread:

    I shall call attention to a few questions that I feel were not adequately addressed:

    1) see post #44
    2) post #50 - You repeatedly tried to answer this one, but you kept asking for specifics. You should be aware of a harmony of the Gospels. The Gospels do not match in chronological or geographic order. In some cases, the words of Christ differ (like what He said on the cross). Which one is more reliable? (A.T. Robertson, for example, wrote A Harmony of the Gospels which should help).

    3) post #66 - I don't think you addressed any of these questions...



    With so many questions, it's easy to over look a few.
     
  17. Mark1615

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    To your first question: The Bible affirms in Revelation 21:4 that there will be no sorrow, no more death, or pain, etc. Some people wonder, however, how they could be happy in heaven when they know that their unsaved loved ones are suffering in hell.

    Those who ask such a question fall into the category of those who asked Jesus a similar question. The Pharisees said that a certain woman had seven consecutive husbands, so whose wife will she be in heaven (Mark 12:23)? Jesus answered by saying that they neither knew the Scriptures nor the power of God. The unregenerate mind has no concept of God's mind or His infinite power. If God can speak the sun into existence; if He can see every thought of every human heart at the same time; if He can create the human eye with its 137,000,000 light-sensitive cells, then He can handle the minor details of our eternal salvation.

    John writes that in heaven "we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is" (1 John 3:2), so perhaps we will be fully satisfied that God is perfectly just and merciful, and that He gave every individual the opportunity to accept or reject Him. However He works it out, God promises that there will not be sorrow or crying in heaven. Our focus in heaven won't be on our loss, but on our gain.
     
  18. Mark1615

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    This is the wrong question to ask...Is there assurance that you will make it to heaven in the first place? Because only those who have received Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior will be "admitted" to heaven. Your original question brings up MANY theological issues beyond just "Can you get kicked out of heaven?"

    First, once someone has genuinely accepted Christ as God and follows the Bible, God will never let that person go! Example: my own dad once verbally and officially rejected Christ years ago. For years he had been a devout Christian and trully loved God. But for some reason (he won't give me details) he had enough of God. So, he said "That's it! I'm done with Jesus." After seven days of "pure hell" he literally crawled on his hands and knees back to God. He said that once he made that intentional choice of leaving God, his life was turned upside down - everything went wrong. Like I said, he won't give me too many details, but I assume it had to be bad to come crawling back in tears to be forgiven.

    Also, I know there is a passage(s) that mentions believers not being taken from God's hand. I can't remember the verse, though.

    So, no. You won't get kicked out of heaven - because you have trusted and believed in Christ. (This also brings up the issue of 'false converts', but that is a different story)
     
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    I am not aware of any passages that mention specifically 'free will.' But from what I have researched and heard, there will be free will, but our 'will' will be to glorify God. I believe we will have the choice to do evil, but we won't want to.
     
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    :eek: Sorry, Buttons! I forgot about this post.
    Anyway, if you are talking about a general plan for humanity then it is found in John 3:17 "For God sent not his Son into the world to cendemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved." This is the "new" plan for His creation. The original plan in Genesis 1 was for us to completely follow Him. But since Adam and Eve sinned, God had to send Jesus to redeem us.

    There is also the plan of the end of the world as revealed in the books of Daniel and Revelation. This talks about the events leading up to Jesus' return, known as the Tribulation.

    Hope that helps.
     
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