I see anything that we consider is God, is just an idol of our imagination.
I would offer science will agree that having the ability to focus our mind, will be beneficial.
Regards Tony
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I see anything that we consider is God, is just an idol of our imagination.
I would offer science will agree that having the ability to focus our mind, will be beneficial.
Regards Tony
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
The problem is that science shows that beneficial is in part individual. I.e. what is beneficial to you, might not be to me and so in reverse.
That's very true, I think. On the surface, it really does look good for a lot of people, especially in contrast to it's immediate predecessor. But yes, dig a little deeper, and there you have it. "If it sounds too good to be true ..."
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rational experiences
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If men in life by natural said law on earth is legal ....hence I must legally state the entity.
They did. Said it was agreed as God.
If they said my brother my life equal theoried space womb numbered science about mass and dusts they did.
And if he got hurt at his side he did.
And the topic is huge.
In life law at his side was a real life partner. His sister his wife who had been his mother and is his daughter.
Hurt by science.
Then his becoming as a woman by homosexual consciousness proves he believed he had been successful. By thesis I created as a man god.
That his man thesis had created a human woman. In just man's thoughts then experience..his own. All said in his mind.
By the wandering leaving recorded one life of every two of. Image sound voice.
As he tried to thesis for two humans.
It was a testimony that Proved the men of science falsified what they said they knew.
As created creation did not exist by men's explanations.
The God of theme was unknown by any descriptive analogy.
Legal terms were for planet earths natural body plus natural heavens acquired by evolution as cooling.
Cooling didn't evolve giant cold blooded lizard dinosaurs into humans the themed teaching........the giant had been overcome by ice saviour support of small celled biologies in a stable non nuclear heavens.
For human babies bio cells to exist non sacrificed.
As nuclear was outside in spaces womb as sacrificed bodies.
The teaching was observed changed human genetics and natural conscious expressions.
Men experienced their own scientific deception. As homosexual man emerged claiming he was a woman by how he felt.
The teaching against men of science termed Satanism...nuclear star advice was real.
The only woman man of science theoried about was his idea of maths space womb and alighted mass conversion.
They did. Said it was agreed as God.
If they said my brother my life equal theoried space womb numbered science about mass and dusts they did.
And if he got hurt at his side he did.
And the topic is huge.
In life law at his side was a real life partner. His sister his wife who had been his mother and is his daughter.
Hurt by science.
Then his becoming as a woman by homosexual consciousness proves he believed he had been successful. By thesis I created as a man god.
That his man thesis had created a human woman. In just man's thoughts then experience..his own. All said in his mind.
By the wandering leaving recorded one life of every two of. Image sound voice.
As he tried to thesis for two humans.
It was a testimony that Proved the men of science falsified what they said they knew.
As created creation did not exist by men's explanations.
The God of theme was unknown by any descriptive analogy.
Legal terms were for planet earths natural body plus natural heavens acquired by evolution as cooling.
Cooling didn't evolve giant cold blooded lizard dinosaurs into humans the themed teaching........the giant had been overcome by ice saviour support of small celled biologies in a stable non nuclear heavens.
For human babies bio cells to exist non sacrificed.
As nuclear was outside in spaces womb as sacrificed bodies.
The teaching was observed changed human genetics and natural conscious expressions.
Men experienced their own scientific deception. As homosexual man emerged claiming he was a woman by how he felt.
The teaching against men of science termed Satanism...nuclear star advice was real.
The only woman man of science theoried about was his idea of maths space womb and alighted mass conversion.
You've drifted from the topic, my friend. The point is, there are valid intellectual reasons for the other religions to deny Baha'u'llah. It's not clinging to interpretations, it's not the clergy. It's in the text. It's baked in. It's an amalgam. an alloy. a core value. Getting rid of the core leaves only the husk.
Don't leave out that every good idea was Baha'u'llah's first, and that the world including the UN owes a large debt to his input. How would nations ever have figured out that they can form political or military alliances and mitigate a rogue state if Baha'u'llah hadn't said it first?
Of course you don't like it, but it is a fair judgment. You use a private definition of homophobia that is self-serving, one based on whether or not you experience or express overt hatred for gays in word or deed. I've explained this to several Baha'i here (and Christians elsewhere). That is not the standard by which Baha'ism nor any given adherent is deemed homophobic, and repeating that you meet your own standards for fairness is pointless. It is the acceptance of the idea that homosexuals are somehow less than heterosexuals, and that they are repugnant to a good god. Nobody who believes that actually treats or views homosexuals as equal. Homosexuals understand that. I understand that. Apparently, you do not.
I'm an atheist and have experienced that bigotry from theists - all Christian so far - who say that they love me and want to help me. Help me with what? Not being cast into the fire their god has lovingly prepared for people like me. They understand that I am morally defective and under the sway of an evil demon. After all, until recently, atheists weren't allowed to adopt, coach, teach, or serve on juries. They were viewed as morally unfit, and still are by many who believe that atheists are an abomination in their god's eye - an undisciplined, rebellious libertine attempting to escape accountability by making myself a god. They are atheophobes, and no amount of "I don't hate you" changes that.
That's because your religion has evolved past that. Of course, not completely, as your use of the word evil attests. The humanists frame this as the lower, more ancient brain sending fight and flight messages to consciousness while an evolutionarily-speaking more evolved higher intellectual and moral brain sends contradictory messages. And humanism has evolved past the religions that frame things in terms of gods and evil.
How old is Baha'ism now? How long has it had to become corrupted? When will a new religion be needed?
That's a good way of looking at it. We can think of Judaism as Happy Days, Christianity as Laverne and Shirley, the first spinoff, and Islam as Mork and Mindy, the second spinoff. I guess that makes Baha'ism Joanie Loves Chachi.
Exactly? The two have zero in common. The sun actually does give light and life. If earth were thrown into interstellar space apart from its star, it would grow dark and life apart from a few microscopic species such as those surrounding deep-sea vents that get their energy elsewhere would end rather quickly. What would be the consequences for man if these religions went dark? I'd say more enlightenment and intellectual illumination.
Is this what you are calling light?
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CG Didymus
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That's what caused me to not trust what Baha'is were teaching. I hadn't read the Bible, actually more specifically the NT, for myself yet. Baha'is quoted selected verses, one was "And when he the spirit of truth comes he will lead you into all truth." They interpreted this as a prophesy about their prophet.
After reading the NT for myself, that particular passage was tied into the Holy Spirit descending into the believers at Pentecost. Later I found out that the Baha'is deny the physical resurrection of Jesus, which in the NT is clearly what is being claimed.
But then I started seeing things that made me wonder if Christians hadn't done the same thing with the Jewish Bible. The worst being the virgin birth. One verse, taken out of context, and made into a prophecy about Jesus. From Judaism on, all these new religions based their religion on things in the Bible... But they only used a few selected verses, cherry-picked, to show how their new religion fulfilled the promises made by God in Judaism. Then Islam used both the Bible and the NT. And Baha'is used the Bible, the NT and the Quran to show how they were the continuation of the same truth that had started with Judaism. Then Baha'is later added in Hinduism and Buddhism. And found reasons to ignore the many, many other religions of the world.
If it's true that all religions are one, I think there should be stronger and better connections between them. But Baha'is obliterate the connections with all the other religions when they say that all of them have corrupted the original teachings. By doing that, they become the only true religion left.
The Baha’i Faiths co-opting of Buddhism is quite shallow considering Abdu’l-Baha’s dim view of Buddhists and Buddhism as lapsed theism: “‘Abdu’l-Bahá said: The real teaching of Buddha is the same as the teaching of Jesus Christ. The teachings of all the Prophets are the same in character. Now men have changed the teaching. If you look at the present practice of the Buddhist religion, you will see that there is little of the Reality left. Many worship idols although their teaching forbids it. … The teaching of Buddha was like a young and beautiful child, and now it has become as an old and decrepit man. Like the aged man it cannot see, it cannot hear, it cannot remember anything. Why go so far back? Consider the laws of the Old Testament: the Jews do not follow Moses as their example nor keep his commands. So it is with many other religions.” (Abdu’l-Baha, Abdu’l-Baha in London, p. 63)
Now in support of the Baha'is, just in case Baha'u'llah is the Messiah and all the other promised ones, I do think they deserve a look. I think people should do as Baha'is say and independently investigate the claims of Baha'u'llah. Does he fulfill all of the prophesies of all the major religions? Do the religions seem as if they have been a long progression of truth given to people by the one true God? Do the teachings of the Baha'i Faith make sense and seem as if they will be able to bring the world together in peace and unity? Do the laws sound as if they came from God and are what is needed for the next 1000 years to ensure people can live together in a just and fair way, where all people are considered equals?
No, there's lots of questions about all those things. For all the good things taught in the Baha'i Faith, there are a few things that don't seem so great. And the Baha'i claim is that all of it is the truth from God and must be believed. I can't accept everything they teach as the truth. So, for now, I have to reject the whole religion. Will I change or will they change? Unfortunately, they can't change. Some of the problematic teachings and beliefs have come from their "infallible" leaders and are unchangeable. Too bad, they were so close.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
Then they add in I Love Lucy for Hinduism and Ozzie and Harriet for Buddhism. We still need one for Zoroastrianism, though.
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I would offer any valid intellectual reason one sees they have to refute Baha'u'llah, would likewise refute all Messengers and also refute God.
The reason is all the Messengers are One with God, as they One and All radiate the same given Holy Spirit.
In the Kitab-i-iqan Baha'u'llah explains how with each new Revelation of God, the "Return" is made manifest and at the same time the same rejections used since time began, are also made manifest.
The God given Messages are spread mostly by the rejection, what a quandary indeed! That is how the Baha'i Faith got to Akka and Haifa.
As well as Baghdad, Constantinople and Adrianople, they all had a Messenger live amongst them, yet most recognised Him not!
Micah 7:12
New International Version
In that day people will come to you from Assyria and the cities of Egypt, even from Egypt to the Euphrates and from sea to sea and from mountain to mountain.
King James Bible
In that day also he shall come even to thee from Assyria, and from the fortified cities, and from the fortress even to the river, and from sea to sea, and from mountain to mountain
What an excellent prophecy that was!
And this,
Isaiah 35:2
King James Bible
It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the LORD, and the excellency of our God.
Regards Tony
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Stop telling me how I ought to live. You are not the Objective Authoritative Truth or Science. It is your subjective belief.
Yes that is most important, as the Word of God is the Mother Word which gives birth to consciousness and all that is possible.
It is the power that fires our brain.
Regards Tony
I had not posted that from days ago, it is deleted as soon as I saw it was posted, you were to keen too offer a reply.
That is an issue with auto save replies, you are unable to delete them, and I missed it was posted, but rest assured, I had already decided I did not want to offer thoughts to you anymore, it appears the RF God's thought otherwise.
Regards Tony
The promise of Heaven or the threat of Hell are not valid reasons to have Faith.
It is all balanced around Truth, we are to have faith for truths sake, founded in logic and reason and balanced with science.
Regards Tony
So you believe all non-Baha'i theists, including Christians, Hindus, Muslims, etc. actually are atheists, as by refuting Baha'u'llah, they also refute God. Wow. Just wow. That is quite the statement.
Baha'u'llah demonstrates the meaning of what I offered in the Kitab-i-iqan. All we know about God is only via the Messengers, so to reject One is to reject them all, thus reject what God offers over their own ideas.
No it does not make them Athiests.
Regards Tony
But that's exactly what you said. If they refute God, they are atheists. I have no messengers at all in my faith. Are you saying I know nothing at all about God? Please stop backtracking and either stand by your statement, or retract it and apologise. Talk about promoting harmony between faiths. Saying they're all atheist isn't gonna help much, I'm afraid.
Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
You've not? Here you go then:
I would find the display of Buddhist symbols on Bahai temples insulting. This is because Bahai has appropriated Buddhism for its own agenda, and in doing so attempts to make fundamental changes to the core of Buddhism, claiming Buddhists have got Buddhism "wrong" - such as the Buddha being a messenger of god.
Patronising, arrogant, ignorant, deceptive, disingenuous, insulting ...need I go on?
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No it is not, that is what you are saying.
Now you can see why quotes are appropriate, there are many, but I have to fo to work, here is but one.
"... Such objections and differences have persisted in every age and century. The people have always busied themselves with such specious discourses, vainly protesting: “Wherefore hath not this or that sign appeared?” Such ills befell them only because they have clung to the ways of the divines of the age in which they lived, and blindly imitated them in accepting or denying these Essences of Detachment, these holy and divine Beings. These leaders, owing to their immersion in selfish desires, and their pursuit of transitory and sordid things, have regarded these divine Luminaries as being opposed to the standards of their knowledge and understanding, and the opponents of their ways and judgments. As they have literally interpreted the Word of God, and the sayings and traditions of the Letters of Unity, and expounded them according to their own deficient understanding, they have therefore deprived themselves and all their people of the bountiful showers of the grace and mercies of God....."
Regards Tony