Homosexuality and religious.

[F1fan]

Welcome to the fact that is applicable. IMHO.

Since this is your opinion it ISN'T a fact. Facts are objectively true, not opinions. That you don't know this casts doubt on your thinking.

So your God is applicable to all people, in your opinion, and not in fact. And since you, nor any other theist, can demostrate your idea of God exists then your opinion means very little. And like I said, your prejudice against gays is yours. You need to own your moral and be accountable for the harm it causes. I don't see you Bahai do this.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

So you see, it's not just clergy, or clinging to interpretations. Following Baha'u'llah directly violates the text. If you want to claim that the text has been corrupted, that's a different story. But I'm pretty sure that Islam would prohibit praying to manifestations as well and it's text is supposed to be perfect per Baha'i standards?

The key is the knowledge that one is praying to the Spirit given of God, but at the same time also acknowledging the paths that God has given us for guidance, who logically are a greater reflection of that Spirit.

"O SON OF LIGHT! Forget all save Me and commune with My spirit. This is of the essence of My command, therefore turn unto it." Baha'u'llah

Bahaullah in the Station of the Messenger is all we can know of God, the "Self of God", so we can direct our prayers through that given channel, or direct them to a God of our own imagination.

Regards Tony

 

[Trailblazer]

OK. Well. Judaism has, maybe, 20 denominations. So then, you should agree by that logic, Jews shoud be allowed to discourage use of Jewish symbols and interpretation of our texts outside the Jewish faith to prevent becoming like the other religions hundred and hundreds of spin-offs.

Jews can discourage that but they cannot prevent people of other religions from having their own interpretations, and that includes Christians, not just Baha'is. After all, there is much disagreement between Christians and Jews as to what the Old Testament prophecies mean, especially those prophecies related to the Messiah.

The other problem with this response is that it cuts both ways. If it's already too late then Baha'i should allow denominations because Humpty Dumpty can't be put back together again.

It does not work that way. The denominations are not useful since they have been corrupted and their teachings are largely devoid of truth. God renews religion in every age in order to start fresh and reveal a new message that is pure and unsullied and suited to the needs of the age in which it was revealed.

“And now concerning thy question regarding the nature of religion. Know thou that they who are truly wise have likened the world unto the human temple. As the body of man needeth a garment to clothe it, so the body of mankind must needs be adorned with the mantle of justice and wisdom. Its robe is the Revelation vouchsafed unto it by God. Whenever this robe hath fulfilled its purpose, the Almighty will assuredly renew it. For every age requireth a fresh measure of the light of God. Every Divine Revelation hath been sent down in a manner that befitted the circumstances of the age in which it hath appeared.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 81

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Since this is your opinion it ISN'T a fact. Facts are objectively true, not opinions. That you don't know this casts doubt on your thinking.

When you state a fact as a fact, there is a number 11 RF boot made available.

I had about 26 of those before I said IMHO to such obvious facts

Of course IMHO

Regards Tony

 

[Trailblazer]

Beautiful!!

So why do you want to use ours?

We don't.

 

[Trailblazer]

'At one time' is the key here. All of those religions don't think their faiths are invalid today. They think that their faith is totally valid today. Otherwise these faiths would have disappeared into the sands of time. It's insulting to say, 'yeah, I like your faith, but it's out of date, and mine is better, the new and improved version.'

Baha'is believe that the spiritual teachings of all the religions are eternal, so they will always be valid. It is the social teachings and the message from God that change in every new age.
The new religion is not better, it is just newer.

 

[Vinayaka]

Baha'is believe that the spiritual teachings of all the religions are eternal, so they will always be valid. It is the social teachings and the message from God that change in every new age.
The new religion is not better, it is just newer.

Then why are you a Baha'i? Why not just be a member of any one of the past religions? Of course you think it's better. If not, you wouldn't be a Baha'i.

 

[Vinayaka]

Swim in the Gulf waters So now you are definitly wishing me dead.

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Regards Tony

That's funny.

 

[Trailblazer]

But it's not clergy.
Why? Because we said it isn't.

No, they are not clergy because they do not fit the definition of clergy.

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[Trailblazer]

Baha'u'llah didn't teach. That is interesting. What exactly did he do then?

He conducted a mission, garnered a few disciples, and wrote Tablets, including all the Tablets to the kings and rulers and religious leaders of His time.

 

[Trailblazer]

Krishna is God.

I don't think that Christians would agree with you since they believe that Jesus is God.

 

[F1fan]

The key is the knowledge that one is praying to the Spirit given of God, but at the same time also acknowledging the paths that God has given us for guidance, who logically are a greater reflection of that Spirit.

Why bother praying to a God that has already sent laws, and is rigid about them?

When you state a fact as a fact, there is a number 11 RF boot made available.

I had about 26 of those before I said IMHO to such obvious facts

Of course IMHO

Is that you have? No humility about being corrected in your mistake? We all know that humility is a teaching in your religion. Is there a reason you ignore it?

 

[rational experiences]

Man first was innocent baby man with spiritual father.

Truth life of humans plus animals after the ice age. Natural only no titles ever.

You are a human.

No science whatsoever. No numbers no facts. You live with nature.

Star fall...Satan body mass returns like origin earths sun attack. Bringer of light.

Light on earth already exists.

You know it's an evil body...always knew. The star.

Your brain mind changes.

You enforce civilisation as a king man. Your claim first man when I'm innocent...once only.

Then with lords who also all want to be king you go about families cruel life takeover.

As king and lord as a man living inside of earths heavens. As human men..only ever was a human man's story.

You satanist man scientist high priest king in civilisation...nearly destroy all life on earth by temple pyramid science.

However the atmosphere cools and you survive. Only because Satan's human angel cloud amassing was greater than machines cloud design advice. UFO. Ark. Never earths rock.

You then tell your own evil man's king lord scientific journey. As I was an innocent king lord man first...lying.

First a man and innocent as king lord before you did evil.

Hadn't made you any First man historically. As first human life on earth.

Reason...dinosaurs in garden tree large nature was historic before yours and before the ice saviour. You were fully aware of those terms ..giant life.

Ice isn't any type of biologicals creator is just ice mass.

Nor were you really innocent to proclaim after you ordered fathers tribal death to be a king. As it was the tribal father in vision my brother group the engineer designer as men had murdered.

As the angel spirit message I gained before 911 is who had sneered at my spiritual innocent engineer designer brother in law.

I always wondered why an angel..man's messages would sneer at a human. Now I knew.

As father mother came from eternal spirit and it was not you baby man. It's why men today are trying to burn us to death as scientists.

As king lord innocent man was in fact the satanic innocent man first...who sacrificed our life. By machines science.

Why this story is all about evil men only.

Only a scientist ever said a scientist was wrong. As natural man in natural life's law is first and conscious first was innocent ...science was never innocent.

 

[Trailblazer]

Then why are you a Baha'i? Why not just be a member of any one of the past religions? Of course you think it's better. If not, you wouldn't be a Baha'i.

I am a Baha'i because I believe the Baha'i Faith is the religion that pertinent to the age in which I am living.

As Baha'is, we are sternly warned not to consider any Messenger of God or their Revelation to be any better than any other since they are all ordained by God, and are all a reflection of His Will and Purpose.

“Beware, O believers in the Unity of God, lest ye be tempted to make any distinction between any of the Manifestations of His Cause, or to discriminate against the signs that have accompanied and proclaimed their Revelation. This indeed is the true meaning of Divine Unity, if ye be of them that apprehend and believe this truth. Be ye assured, moreover, that the works and acts of each and every one of these Manifestations of God, nay whatever pertaineth unto them, and whatsoever they may manifest in the future, are all ordained by God, and are a reflection of His Will and Purpose. Whoso maketh the slightest possible difference between their persons, their words, their messages, their acts and manners, hath indeed disbelieved in God, hath repudiated His signs, and betrayed the Cause of His Messengers.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 59-60

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I was looking at the number of words in each verse. The 4 or 5 lines of unnecessary poetic stuff could easily be condensed to 4 or 5 words. But yes, that book would be condensed, but certainly wouldn't contain the wisdom in all past scriptures. many of those scriptures he wouldn't have been aware of, like the Saiva Agamas, which go into great detail on the mystical architecture of Hindu temples. So 'all past scriptures' is exaggeration, which isn't at all uncommon in dealings with the Bahai' faith. I'd say that overall exaggeration is a common theme.

The Essence of all past Faiths is what it offers, wisdom is a different meaning.

Essence is the intrinsic nature or indispensable quality of the Faiths, something they all share.

Regards Tony

 

[dybmh]

If you see someone wearing a Star of David, does that symbol convey that Judaism is corrupt and many of Judaism's belief's are false?

If you see someone wearing a Cross, does that symbol convey that Christianity is corrupt and many of Christianity's belief's are false?

No, why would it?

Exactly. It's counter-intuitive. Here's my logic written out. Maybe tell me where it breaks down?

1. Belief that a religion has become corrupted with many false beliefs is a negative opinion of the religion.
2. Displaying a religious symbol communicates a positive opinion of the religion.
3. Holding a negative opinion while communicating a positive opinion is deceptive.
4. Holding a belief of corruption and many false beliefs while displaying the religious symbol is deceptive.

I have not seen anyone of other religions saying that they feel insulted by the fact that the symbols of their religions are displayed on Baha'i temples.

Maybe they don't know the Baha'i position on other religions.

 

[dybmh]

The key is the knowledge that one is praying to the Spirit given of God, but at the same time also acknowledging the paths that God has given us for guidance, who logically are a greater reflection of that Spirit.

"O SON OF LIGHT! Forget all save Me and commune with My spirit. This is of the essence of My command, therefore turn unto it." Baha'u'llah

Bahaullah in the Station of the Messenger is all we can know of God, the "Self of God", so we can direct our prayers through that given channel, or direct them to a God of our own imagination.

Regards Tony

You can do that. But I understand it as idol worship. It's a perfectly valid and intellectual reason to decline Baha'u'llah's station.

 

[dybmh]

We don't.

Great.

 

[rational experiences]

Realise.

As a Baha'i I am taught.

I'm told not to consider any other God message as pertinent to my own.

Your previous message from Allah and Jesus only.

So then you detail why you consciously realised new future messages would be received. As evolution cooling was spaces law.

Which causes the new messages not to be of Baha'i in a future...but natural causes evolution of humans consciousness.

For example a book produces a testimony that states homosexual baby humans were born. As science satanic man had broken gods stone laws again.

Star fall returned the evidence. Moon law holy mother ordained women's menstrual cycles. Healer taught.

Changed. Women's womb sick birthed sick babies evidence...menstrual cycle not in synche in nature wandering first moon saviour.

Telling of the truth is earths God human reality.

Life today aware men of science introduced changed consciousness by heavens angels above fell.

No baby is illegal by nature...as science altered earths nature's cycles as men.

Men were guilty.

As homosexual men are told men are guilty twice...they bore the burden of incorrect teachings of man.

So parents owning changed conscious children would only love them support them...they would not be forced to religiously submit despite being told opposition.

The testimony was opposition only.

As parents who know only with God do you love.

 

[rational experiences]

Conscious answer why thinking conscious humans dislike the thought of honouring a homosexual man.

Position father mother no science and their babies mutual a son or daughter. Procreate natural species. Equal. A lovely easy families peaceful life.

Science man gets brain prickled his sexual behaviours changes. Wants to be with his brothers. Said a n a l sex gave him Satan's powers.

Those men became king lords scientists. Humans today reviewing advice asked was Jesus a man/ woman?

No they said he never had sex. Yet babies inherit the homosexual life.

So teaching said gods heavens had changed and so did human genesis.

Scientists begin to lose clarity of thought as brothers by populous become homosexual men. Some even believe they are women.

Yet law gives humans a penis or vagina in nature.

So the man theist who thought as one human only... tried and inferred he thought for two humans as two bodies human....begins his transformation. As theist. Theist who displaced natural human woman via machines mass.

Partners equal mutual in nature.

Becomes homosexual man ...via brother the scientist.

Woman's body begin to not conceive and suffers womb diseases.
....Men scientists invent create human foetuses themselves....mind displaced says I'm overtaking natural woman's life.
....Men scientists say prove you believe you're a woman. To a man. Makes him a vagina then gives him breasts.

The atmosphere starts to record his man's life image as the woman.

Man of science consciously congratulates himself in mind memory that he's succeeded into swapping women's places by law of god. Man changed caused.

Man displaced women's life loses his mind of man.

It's why we said science was Satanism.

As the testimonial a confession of man was the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me God.

Whose the criminal in the review? The man theist of Jesus Phi was...the king man lord who designed science who wasn't Jesus as the state Phi first.

As Phi was just a theory about design.

So is DNA under a microscope a human as the human body completed that natural law owns you look at?

No says a real scientist.

If machines mass cold metal is deep inside earth is it in the past or only gained in the future?

A scientist would ask what!

Father asked why did you ever ask?

The real answer is as he never knew it all.

As a star isn't a sun.

In the earth's past hot molten mass is the same mass today.

In the future owning every space zero is a cold metal mass taught father who you never ever listened to. All of infinity itself.