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What does that mean? Do you mean atheists who have not yet seen the Light of God?Susan, there is many wonderful exquisite lamps yet to be lit.
Regards Tony
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What does that mean? Do you mean atheists who have not yet seen the Light of God?Susan, there is many wonderful exquisite lamps yet to be lit.
Regards Tony
Well, Carmel and Sharon are great if all we look at is the Bible, but even with that the throne of David is mentioned and Zion is mentioned a lot. Baha'is have little or nothing to do with Zion and/or Jerusalem, do they? Just a technicality to you, but probably not to Jews. Then Christians would probably agree that Jerusalem is the place where Jesus will return to. I believe they have a verse that mentions the Mt. of Olives. If we're going to talk in just generalities and say that it is only symbolic, then who cares. But that makes anybody's claim just as valid as the Baha'i claims.
Then what about the other religions? Like in Islam... When and where does the Mahdi come? If not specific cities in Persia, then we got a problem. Then, the usual one, will there be two people returning? But then of all places to set up the headquarters of his new religion... Haifa, Israel? Is that prophesied in Islam?
What does that mean? Do you mean atheists who have not yet seen the Light of God?
Go back to the scripture I quoted. From his own scripture. Tell me if it means people go to hell or they don't.
Read the his scripture, and address the argument.
I did address the argument.
Ill give you the argument since you never addressed it. You say twice? Lets see if you could address it once.
Bab - Qayyum al asma - Soorathul Nahl. It mentions about a man who is the flip side of another man who is a good man, but this guy is like just about to fall into hell, and he is called by the fires of hell.
Qur'an - Soorathul Bakarah - Verse 206 it speaks of a corrupter of the earth, a hypocrite, a power-hungry person who as soon as gets power seeks to corrupt the earth, his destination is hell-fire, and it's said as the "Mihaadh" as in where he will be homed or his abode.
Directly said.
So do people go to hell at all based on the Qur'an and Qayyoom al Asma? Or do they never?
That's the argument.
So please do show me where you had responded "twice" to this argument.
Thanks in advance.
Especially because we know there is, and has been, several, like you say, "snake-oil" salesmen. They got a good story to entice people in, but are they really manifestations, prophets, gurus or whatever they claim to be. Like you've told us about Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. Very close to the same claims as the Bab and Baha'u'llah.I have got the answer. It is "Go only by what has evidence'. After doing that there are no more questions. There are some questions which are not answerable today. Do not try to fill the gaps with unevidenced claptrap. Wait for more data to be available. As for God, soul, prophets etc., as an strong atheist, I dismiss it out-right.
I wouldn't know how trustworthy these "hadiths" are. But I'll keep them in mind. Thanks.Yes CG, I Islam there are some very specific Hadith.
Here is a link to some.
Akka Traditions (hadith) in the Epistle to the Son of the Wolf
Regards Tony
I wouldn't know how trustworthy these "hadiths" are. But I'll keep them in mind. Thanks.
That's not the argument I rebutted. In fact
That is for you to fight with Muslims. Atheist and Hindus believe neither in one nor in the other. We wash our hands like Pontius, the Pilate of Judea, and feel sad about it as to how religions divide people on basis of these stories.They were quoted by Baha'u'llah. They have been located and confirmed.
That is for you to fight with Muslims. Atheist believe neither in one nor the other. We wash our hands like Pontius, the Pilate of Judea, and feel sad about it as to how religions divide people.
I appreciate that, but I already know how I fell short.If it is not 'Bahai speak', then you need some one to tell you that it is not, and that you need to pay more attention to what you are saying or writing. You (and myself) are not perfect, but we should try to be better
That is for you to fight with Muslims. Atheist believe neither in one nor the other. We wash our hands like Pontius, the Pilate of Judea, and feel sad about it as to how religions divide people on basis of these stories.
Well, in our inner selves we potentially reflect all the attributes of God. If we are near to God or Allah, or whatever you name Him, we attain into bliss because we are at "home", so to speak. That's the best I can explain it probably. In a Hidden Word it is also said:I am asking 'what are the rewards of being near to Allah in Bahaism'. Kindly be specific.
As you know I have trouble with what Baha'u'llah and Abdul Baha' say about the Bible and the NT... Like the thing about Ishmael vs. Isaac or the thing about Three Woes.or the resurrection not being physical. With Islam, right now, I don't know enough to believe or not believe what Baha'u'llah says about these hadith. Oh, and another thing about the Bible, how Baha'u'llah talks about Noah, but he doesn't mention the flood. But I'll read over that article that you linked to some more and see what it says.They were quoted by Baha'u'llah. They have been located and confirmed.
Regards Tony
When and if you have time can you comment on this article by Momen about the "Akka" traditions? I expect there will be some controversy, like the reliability of these hadiths and their sources, but if you could help me out to know a little of what is going on here.Thats the whole argument.
Akka Traditions (hadith) in the Epistle to the Son of the Wolf
Sorry, Tony I don't know enough to comment on this. I hope Firedragon and Link can give me a little something to better understand what's going on with these hadiths. The article by Momen is talking about things I'm not familiar with.They were quoted by Baha'u'llah. They have been located and confirmed.
Indic religions (Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism and Sikhism) are the most peaceful and accommodating of all religions. We do not have the compulsion to follow one prophet or one book.Your polemics are evil. Monstrous. It's your religion. And I am playing your own flute.
After death, we cease to exist, so who is there to experience any bliss? All through a person's life, (as perhaps you believe) Allah or God is putting him/her through various tests including troubles, infirmities and horrible deaths; and after death, he talks of giving us bliss! Why not in our life-time?"O SON OF BEING! Thy Paradise is My love; thy heavenly home, reunion with Me."
Term them as following religions which are corrupted and outdated.The Baha'i do not fight with any person, but ..
Sorry, Tony I don't know enough to comment on this. I hope Firedragon and Link can give me a little something to better understand what's going on with these hadiths. The article by Momen is talking about things I'm not familiar with.