Lets solve the school shooting problem

[Twilight Hue]

Correct, and your solution is anti-freedom. More control by the government.

That's the direction i fear the future holds. I'm the last for big government control. I'm sure you are well aware of my personal stance in that regard. ;0]

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

That's the direction i fear the future holds. I'm the last for big government control. I'm sure you are well aware my stance in that regard. ;0]

Then stop supporting more control to the government. At least be consistent in your belief.

I am not free if I can't walk fully armed into a school. If you deny me that right you are an authoritarian and you are not, right?
You know that if you start the slippery slope, you know where it ends - yes, North Korea!!!

 

[Twilight Hue]

Then stop supporting more control to the government. At least be consistent in your belief.

I am not free if I can't walk fully armed into a school. If you deny me that right you are an authoritarian and you are not, right?
You know that if you start the slippery slope, you know where it ends - yes, North Korea!!!

I think smart people can arrive at an ambicle solution without the need for instituting severe government over reach.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I think smart people can arrive at an ambicle solution without the need for instituting severe government over reach.

No, there is only total freedom or authoritarian dictatorships. You have made post after post pointing that out. You can't be amicable with people, who want to give more power and control to the government. I follow your posts and you are right, there is no compromise when it comes to FREEDOM.
Don't start and listen to the enemy, it never stops. Before you know it, you have become an authoritarian centrist like me. You are lucky you live in the land of the FREE and not an authoritarian dictatorship like Denmark. We are even worse than North Korea.

 

[Twilight Hue]

No, there is only total freedom or authoritarian dictatorships. You have made post after post pointing that out. You can't be amicable with people, who want to give more power and control to the government. I follow your posts and you are right, there is no compromise when it comes to FREEDOM.
Don't start and listen to the enemy, it never stops. Before you know it, you have become an authoritarian centrist like me. You are lucky you live in the land of the FREE and not an authoritarian dictatorship like Denmark. We are even worse than North Korea.

Silly you. =0]

But I do cherish individual freedoms all the same.

 

[exchemist]

There are just under 100,000 public schools in the United States. If we had an average of 2 paid trained federal police officers at each school at a cost of $100,000 a piece for training, wages and benefits. We would need $20 billion per year. This is peanuts. In the US budget we have a line item for retooling manufacture facilities of $27B. I say we find the $20B in our budget and add an average of 2 federal trained armed police officers at each school in America.

Why would this be a bad idea? We could pass strong gun laws tomorrow but that will not stop a shooter going into our schools any time soon. We could have trained professional security guards in our schools in months. This is a common sense solution since we will never be able to stop a person from obtaining an illegal gun and shooting kids.

Obviously what you need to do is provide firearms training to all the kids and encourage them to attend school armed to the teeth, as is done in much of the civilised world. That should take care of it. I can't understand why this simple solution has not occurred to anyone.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Silly you. =0]

But I do cherish individual freedoms all the same.

Well, as for this: "But I do cherish individual freedoms all the same." There are no individual freedoms like gravity or all the other objective processes and so on. They are social constructs and you are not the source of them and neither am I.
So either we fight or we make compromises, that in the end neither of us will love but we can live with them. That is what amicable as characterized by friendliness and absence of discord means for the more realistic second part.

 

[Augustus]

There are just under 100,000 public schools in the United States. If we had an average of 2 paid trained federal police officers at each school at a cost of $100,000 a piece for training, wages and benefits. We would need $20 billion per year. This is peanuts. In the US budget we have a line item for retooling manufacture facilities of $27B. I say we find the $20B in our budget and add an average of 2 federal trained armed police officers at each school in America.

Why would this be a bad idea? We could pass strong gun laws tomorrow but that will not stop a shooter going into our schools any time soon. We could have trained professional security guards in our schools in months. This is a common sense solution since we will never be able to stop a person from obtaining an illegal gun and shooting kids.

The armed deputy who was on campus at Marjory Stoneman Douglas high school when a gunman massacred 17 people stood outside the building as it occurred and did not go in to engage the shooter, the Broward County sheriff, Scott Israel, said on Thursday.

Deputy Scot Peterson, who was the school resource officer at Stoneman Douglas in Parkland, Florida, resigned from the department on Thursday after being told he would be suspended, Israel said.

Armed guard at Florida high school failed to enter building and stop shooter


Not to mention a large number of cops in the US appear to be dangerously incompetent, so there is a high chance of the odd innocent child being shot.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Again this is a solution that does not protect kids in the short term. How do we stop the next shooter? This solution will not do that.

I don't think there is a simple solution short of confiscating everyone's guns immediately. Even increased security at school won't stop a determined shooter.

Training all staff in threat assessment could help as well, but that's not perfect. I am a teacher trained in CSTAG and one of the things we learn is that it isn't going to be 100% effective. But, we also learn schools are still far safer than the streets, even with the increased school shootings that take place compared to other places.

We could, of course, confiscate as many guns as we can. That would be unconstitutional but it would be another step towards preventing a shooting.

 

[VoidCat]

Guys let me point out something as a person who grew up with this as a threat. I'm a person who had to undergo school shooting drills as a kid constantly as practice for if the real thing occurred.

America your childern are terrified. Extremely. Shootings are so normalized that when folk hear about one they are like oh another shooting. Adults don't care. They do nothing. Instead we argue about politics. We don't bother with solutions only politics. Can't even set them aside to save lives.

Other countries don't have this problem. What are they doing that we aren't? Gun control? Then why the hell haven't we applied it? Do y'all really care so much about your 2nd amendment rights and about y'alls guns to not restrict its access to save the lives of your childern? Maybe better mental health services? Then why haven't we tried that?

One time there was a shooter drill in my school. I had went to the bathroom when the drill occurred. Do you guys realize how terrifying that is? I had no way of knowing if it was just a drill or if someone was actually on campus planning on shooting folk. No one told me that info. And I couldn't knock on any classroom doors cuz in a situation like that no one is going to let you in. Someone could get hurt. If a school shooter had been roaming the halls id easily would've been a hostage. Luckily it was just a drill there was no shooter and I just stayed hid in a locker till the announcements went off saying that.

This kind of **** needs to end. Im sorry. And to me it seems America cares too much about politics to do anything.

This doesn't really solve your shooting problem but I just want to say it won't be solved until people actually care about it. That's the first step

 

[Koldo]

There are just under 100,000 public schools in the United States. If we had an average of 2 paid trained federal police officers at each school at a cost of $100,000 a piece for training, wages and benefits. We would need $20 billion per year. This is peanuts. In the US budget we have a line item for retooling manufacture facilities of $27B. I say we find the $20B in our budget and add an average of 2 federal trained armed police officers at each school in America.

Why would this be a bad idea? We could pass strong gun laws tomorrow but that will not stop a shooter going into our schools any time soon. We could have trained professional security guards in our schools in months. This is a common sense solution since we will never be able to stop a person from obtaining an illegal gun and shooting kids.

I don't see how this solves anything. Best case scenario you reduce the body count.

How long does it take to shoot at a dozen people?

 

[Koldo]

There are just under 100,000 public schools in the United States. If we had an average of 2 paid trained federal police officers at each school at a cost of $100,000 a piece for training, wages and benefits. We would need $20 billion per year. This is peanuts. In the US budget we have a line item for retooling manufacture facilities of $27B. I say we find the $20B in our budget and add an average of 2 federal trained armed police officers at each school in America.

Why would this be a bad idea? We could pass strong gun laws tomorrow but that will not stop a shooter going into our schools any time soon. We could have trained professional security guards in our schools in months. This is a common sense solution since we will never be able to stop a person from obtaining an illegal gun and shooting kids.

You just have to accept that school shootings are going to happen when you have easily accessible guns. It is the price you have to pay.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I don't see how this solves anything. Best case scenario you reduce the body count.

How long does it take to shoot at a dozen people?

Worse case you increase it,

 

[stvdv]

Just address your gun addiction, America. Until you do that, you'll keep burying your innocents.

As with all addictions, first you have to admit you have a problem. The level of denial is simply staggering, the whole world can see what you, America, refuse to acknowledge.

Useful

How does this statement help stop the next shooting? It doesn't, just more babbling without any solutions. What should we do to stop the next shooting?

Babbling...the above?
Definitely not to me
And not dreaming
100+ years WW
Is not solved
In 1 year

Note: WW = Wild West

 

[amorphous_constellation]

I'm all for stopping the next shooting, but doesn't that seem like too insurmountable of a goal? Like, if someone has a good idea to stop three out of the next five shootings, I'm all ears. The next shooting could be anywhere, caused by anything. As sad as it is to say, there will be a next shooting, and we can't change that.

I don't recall this happening before columbine. I was in 7th or 8th grade when that was in the news, and I don't think anyone ever heard of such of thing. So what was working good since the inception of standard schooling until then?

Another idea is get more psychologists in schools. If psychology/psychiatry and its practitioners have all the answers, what would happen if they got power? They have a lot of 'passive' power, but I don't they ever had a ton of overt power. Technically, if they had more power, couldn't they cross-analyze everybody in the school like a laser beam? They'd know exactly who was going to do what, each step of the way. But I somehow don't think americans would go for that

 

[Polymath257]

This is why we need armed police officers in our schools full time. This is the best and only short term solution there is. There is no good reason to not try to stop the next shooting. This is going to take leadership the current set of politicians do not have. We must demand it.

How does this stop the next shooting? it takes time to train those security people. And they won't be everywhere. Many of the shootings that have occurred were in places with armed security: the security people just got shot also.

Let's face it. We aren't going to stop the next shooting. We probably won't stop the next 10 shootings. But if we figure out what to do (a combination of better mental health care, limiting access to guns, and better security) and commit to it, we might be able to reduce the number of deaths over the next decade.

 

[Twilight Hue]

How does this stop the next shooting? it takes time to train those security people. And they won't be everywhere. Many of the shootings that have occurred were in places with armed security: the security people just got shot also.

Let's face it. We aren't going to stop the next shooting. We probably won't stop the next 10 shootings. But if we figure out what to do (a combination of better mental health care, limiting access to guns, and better security) and commit to it, we might be able to reduce the number of deaths over the next decade.

I think its just a matter of addressing and focusing on age requirements and rate of fire issues on the weapons in light the younger generation of people have demonstrated all too well now that they are far too immature and irresponsible to handle arms proper anymore.

Plus smart technology that restricts operation exclusively for its owner and cannot be operated by anyone else who happens to 'borrow' it without affecting 2nd amendment rights for people to purchase and keep those arms on their person might be a viable path to take to migate using legally purchased firearms in lethal crime sprees.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

As sad as it is to say, there will be a next shooting, and we can't change that.

"We can't stop them all ..."

is a sick and senseless argument for

"... so let's continue to enable them all."
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BRING HR8 TO A VOTE​

 

[Aštra’el]

I think its just a matter of addressing and focusing on age requirements and rate of fire issues on the weapons in light the younger generation of people have demonstrated all too well now that they are far too immature and irresponsible to handle arms proper anymore.
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While I agree that this current generation of children is severely lacking in discipline, it doesn’t have to remain that way. I was training with shotguns at church camp as a child, and we all had the sense not to shoot each other.

I would support a gradual move towards incorporating mandatory firearm courses in schools, so that children do not fear them, but respect and value them, as well as each others’ lives, while learning to safety operate and maintain them. This would provide a nice stepping stone for those looking to pursue careers in military and law enforcement, while at the same time providing the public with a greater sense of confidence, security, discipline, and general respect towards each other.

 

[metis]

Why would this be a bad idea? We could pass strong gun laws tomorrow but that will not stop a shooter going into our schools any time soon. We could have trained professional security guards in our schools in months. This is a common sense solution since we will never be able to stop a person from obtaining an illegal gun and shooting kids.

It would be a step in the right direction, imo, however what we have seen over and over again is that even police are not as well armed as some of these shooters have been. Also, study after study have shown that the great proliferation of such guns is a very large part of the problem since the U.S. have more than one gun per person in this country on the average.