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Lets solve the school shooting problem

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
I agree it is hard. You can find lots of stories where people sacrifice put themselves in harms way.. If we don't try to find people willing to do it then what? We just let shooters kill our children?

No, but you won't get everybody to do it and most police officers won't do it. They will wait for back-up, SWAT and what not. What you demand of them, are in fact special forces training.
So let me explain. What you require of these officers is specialist training:
-They have to operate in pairs and trust each other.
-They have to train to the point of muscle memory in how to move and shoot. Shoot because you don't want them to hit anything but the shooter.
-There have to be at least 4 officers per school, because one might get sick, they have to train in pairs and keep the training active. They have to cover more than a work week, if the school have activities beyond a workweek.
-You need to harden the windows and doors and have cameras everywhere and an extra person watch these cameras and be in radio contract with the pair.
-Because you require them in effect to give their lives if need be to save other lives, in effect they have to have a higher pay than regular officers and even better pension.

So yes, if you make a law that meets these requirements it would help. If you do less, it will be a feel good law.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
This is why we need trained guards at the schools, at least two. To engage before they get in. If a school is properly secured the shooter will have to engage a police officer prior to getting in. Why is this ok for airports but not our schools?

Because you can shoot your way through a backdoor or even window.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Even if they did engage him. How does that mean we should let them walk in freely to shoot our children? Why do you resist armed police at schools but not at the airport or the Grammy's?

Because what you require for a lot of schools not build for security for a lot of time. You can't compare apples to oranges.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
It didn't work in Texas. We need more hardened schools and more police. We need it everywhere, because if we only plug one hole, they will find another. We need to harden the country.
The Arms Race!!!

Look at Europe, it works there, schools are not armed
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
But at least try it!!

The problem in the US is the gun lobby has too many politicians in its pocket

No, there are too many guns in practice to remove them. At a rate of one per minute, it would take over 500 years.
Make compromises that both sides can live with. And even that is too idealistic. :(
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
No, there are too many guns in practice to remove them. At a rate of one per minute, it would take over 500 years.
Make compromises that both sides can live with. And even that is too idealistic. :(
An 18-year old on his birthday should not be able to go to his local shop and arm himself. Stop that happening would be a good start.
 

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
So, all you are saying is that we just have to live with mass shootings and do nothing. Sorry, but the research says otherwise.
Where did I say this? I am actually saying the opposite. I am talking about a short term solution. Long term solutions are a different discussion. What solution do you have that will help stop a gunman in September?
 

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
No, but you won't get everybody to do it and most police officers won't do it. They will wait for back-up, SWAT and what not. What you demand of them, are in fact special forces training.
So let me explain. What you require of these officers is specialist training:
-They have to operate in pairs and trust each other.
-They have to train to the point of muscle memory in how to move and shoot. Shoot because you don't want them to hit anything but the shooter.
-There have to be at least 4 officers per school, because one might get sick, they have to train in pairs and keep the training active. They have to cover more than a work week, if the school have activities beyond a workweek.
-You need to harden the windows and doors and have cameras everywhere and an extra person watch these cameras and be in radio contract with the pair.
-Because you require them in effect to give their lives if need be to save other lives, in effect they have to have a higher pay than regular officers and even better pension.

So yes, if you make a law that meets these requirements it would help. If you do less, it will be a feel good law.
Then lets do these things.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Where did I say this? I am actually saying the opposite. I am talking about a short term solution. Long term solutions are a different discussion. What solution do you have that will help stop a gunman in September?
I'm talking long term.

Sort term: more police at schools and arrests for any open-carry near a school except for police.
 
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