Existence

[YoursTrue]

I'd put it slightly differently .

The first followers of Jesus appear to have been a small number of Jews. It's not clear what the earliest Christians believed ─ the earliest we encounter in history are Paul's gnostic-influenced accounts.

But Christianity wasn't successful amongst the Jewish people. Its adherents, thanks to Paul, were overwhelmingly pagan.

The resurrection is mentioned in Paul, implied in the original version of Mark, which ends at the empty tomb, and express in Matthew, Luke and John. There are stories of resurrection in a body in the Tanakh eg 1 Kings 17:17+, 2 Kings 4:32+, 2 Kings 4:32+. In the NT, Jesus raises the Nain woman's son (Luke 7:12+) and Lazarus (John 11.41+), Peter raised Tabitha / Dorcas (Acts 9:36-40), and Matthew describes the faithful dead at large in the streets of Jerusalem ((Matthew 27:52-53). It's by no means clear how these stories relate to Paul's 'incorruptible putting on incorruption'. since implicitly all those risen died again in due course. The many many Greek stories can also be ambiguous as to the state of the one returned from the dead ie the extent to which it was spiritual, like the souls in the Underworld, or corporeal, or something intermediate.

I'm not sure what you mean about adherents being pagan, but -- obviously there are sects, at times very different from one another although they say they belong to this or that religion. The account of Lazarus being raised demonstrates that he was resurrected in the flesh. You might want to go to www.jw.org and read some articles about resurrection as well other subjects, including paganism. What Is the Resurrection? | Bible Questions (jw.org)

 

[YoursTrue]

Well I think there is a difference in understanding as to what the elements are, and as to where they are created (mostly in stars from what I gather), and some text from long ago citing the earth as being the origin for anything. Just flowery language to explain roughly the same thing (but being different) to not-so-knowledgeable folk of the time, and not being a scientific description or the truth. No idea where life arose. It may have come from off Earth or from our planet. And I might never know.

As I have been reading, there is simply no proof whatsoever in science. We may draw conclusions from observation or conjecture, but these are not conclusive without any possibility of being wrong in terms of what they mean. I am speaking of science. As some have also recognized, there is a difference between living and death. A person can be alive, yet dead in their way of life or vision of life.

 

[blü 2]

I'm not sure what you mean about adherents being pagan

What began as a small Jewish sect had its numerical successes, as Paul said, amongst the Pagans. It never became a large Jewish sect ─ instead by the time John was written it was, or was about to become, a distinct religion.

The account of Lazarus being raised demonstrates that he was resurrected in the flesh.

All the biblical examples except Matthew's zombies ─ Elijah and the Zarephath woman’s son, Elisha and the Shunammite woman’s son, the man whose dead body touched Elisha’s bones, the Nain widow’s son, Lazarus, Tabitha ─ were resurrected in the flesh. That is, they implicitly went on to resume the ordinary course of their lives. Not so with Jesus, whose post-mortal state has various supernatural qualities, though the details between accounts are not consistent ─ the ability to go unrecognized until ready, to appear in and disappear from locked rooms, to be material enough to talk (and therefore breathe) and eat a piece of fish, &c. And then the ability to ascend, which later legend also attributes to Mary.

 

[ratiocinator]

As I have been reading, there is simply no proof whatsoever in science. We may draw conclusions from observation or conjecture, but these are not conclusive without any possibility of being wrong in terms of what they mean.

People have been telling you this for a long time. What science does have is solid evidence for its theories (not absolute proof but certainly, in many cases, enough evidence to constitute "proof beyond reasonable doubt"). In contrast, religion, faith, and pseudoscience, like creationism and ID, have no proof and no evidence.

 

[Mock Turtle]

As I have been reading, there is simply no proof whatsoever in science. We may draw conclusions from observation or conjecture, but these are not conclusive without any possibility of being wrong in terms of what they mean. I am speaking of science. As some have also recognized, there is a difference between living and death. A person can be alive, yet dead in their way of life or vision of life.

Oh ye of little faith - apart from the obvious ones.

Science is hard I'll agree, so not so easy for those less inclined to do the work necessary or might not have the ability (and I include myself in the latter so often, given that many things elude me), such that the easier options are much easier to digest - like religious explanations for this, that, and anything else. But this hardly means any alternatives to science are factual or of any use, particularly when they come so often with so many negative aspects - like no proper provenance.

And how do you see all the religious beliefs being reconciled - if at all possible - given that some seem to be inclined towards an apocalyptic future? Not nice if the religions actually produced this too, if looked from outside. Oh, what a stupid race - they invented their own destruction!

 

[gnostic]

As I have been reading, there is simply no proof whatsoever in science.

You have been told time and time again, that science relied on tests, observations, experiments and evidence, NOT PROOF!

Evidence matters to scientists, not proofs.

Are you utterly incapable of understanding that PROOFS ARE NOT EVIDENCE!

Proofs are logical models, usually expressed mathematically in the forms of formulas, equations or constants.

Einstein’s Mass-Energy Equivalence equation:

E = m c^2​

That equation isn’t evidence, but it is a mathematical proof to .

Proofs are true, until it has been tested, and the only ways to test equations is through observational evidence.

So with regards to Einstein’s famous equation for Special Relativity, it was never verified being true, until it was supported by ,

Equations are not evidence. Equations are part of the explanation or prediction, but they are not themselves, evidence.

You would think you would understand these differences between evidence and proofs...they are not the same things!

It would seem that you can teach a 12-year old child the distinction between evidence and proof, but you cannot teach an adult creationist.

We may draw conclusions from observation or conjecture, but these are not conclusive without any possibility of being wrong in terms of what they mean.

And here you are only partially right.

In science, you do draw conclusion from “observations”, not from “conjectures”.

All evidence are OBSERVATIONS, whether you find evidence from fieldwork or evidence from performing lab experiments.

EVIDENCE are physical phenomena that can be -

• observed or detected,
• quantified, measured,
• compared against each other,
• tested.

Evidence should provide data (information) that can be compared against the explanations, predictions and equations (proofs). The evidence and data are what determine if the hypothesis or theory is:

1. TRUE & PROBABLE
2. FALSE & IMPROBABLE.

It is the evidence and data that matter more in science than the equations (proofs), because the equations could be wrong.

 

[rational experiences]

I use basic human intelligence highest intelligence natural.

We all exist first.

A long time as humans on earth living having sex then having babies....human parents die babies grow and die too.

Dinosaurs the giant life before us owner babies by eggs all died out.

So we all are deceased actually. We only live surviving was my families human spiritual advice in my mind.

If science tried to placate that men human thinkers theoried my presence into being. That status is human egotism.

Then you have the same theist going one step beyond just thinking. He proposes theories of man invention machine his partner in life created life on earth by his machine thesis

Claiming his machine taken from God mass is now representative of life's creator.

As God. Planet earth. He says from ashes and dust. Yet ashes are exact just ash and dusts as dust Multi variations. Dusts. Exact.

My human memory says when you vision creation history no human in the subject. Discussing gas or mass change is exact to the thinking

So thinking as a human said we never owned human presence in creation creating. Mass a planet existed. Mass it's heavens existed

No human in the theory the human is thinking the theory.

Water as mass existed created as a mass itself to be the state water.

Cannot be any less otherwise the theory says no water.

The heavens at ground is water above us. Ground the dust bared. We walk upon the bare body ground naked ground the teaching.

So I say my parents atmospheric memory showed a pre owned eternal spirit life body who converted into a water human bio life.

Biological chemicals owned by the eternal body change why only biology owns their chemistry.

Science says I don't believe that a body outside of space could exist.

Yet our brother the first scientist said I will name describe space as a womb that holds its created form babies as gods within it.

So what is the body owning the womb if not outside of space itself?

That body is where our two human parents showed me in image vision that they came out of. Direct into earths heavens as space empty womb was filled back in on its plane.

Why bio life dies as our spirit never belonged in creation.

We leave a water recorded life image yet the real creator the eternal exists owning one presence after our death.

Father taught me...human that he was thought of as a God after he died. He told me he knew we came from the eternal form as he saw our mother come out of it. His memory told me my female mother memory showed me.

Our father was the highest spiritual human male memory before human science was practiced that removed our mind psyche heavy metal irradiated away from his teachings and our origin memory.

We are an exact unconditional loving being. Changed. So we express the experience via our love.

As a human looking at the theist I shake my head wondering at your egotism.

You might not want to believe we are spiritual. Not being spiritual owns every human suffering condition and abuse today...of earth it's heavens and equal life as biology.

 

[rational experiences]

You have been told time and time again, that science relied on tests, observations, experiments and evidence, NOT PROOF!

Evidence matters to scientists, not proofs.

Are you utterly incapable of understanding that PROOFS ARE NOT EVIDENCE!

Proofs are logical models, usually expressed mathematically in the forms of formulas, equations or constants.

Einstein’s Mass-Energy Equivalence equation:

E = m c^2​

That equation isn’t evidence, but it is a mathematical proof to .

Proofs are true, until it has been tested, and the only ways to test equations is through observational evidence.

So with regards to Einstein’s famous equation for Special Relativity, it was never verified being true, until it was supported by ,

Equations are not evidence. Equations are part of the explanation or prediction, but they are not themselves, evidence.

You would think you would understand these differences between evidence and proofs...they are not the same things!

It would seem that you can teach a 12-year old child the distinction between evidence and proof, but you cannot teach an adult creationist.



And here you are only partially right.

In science, you do draw conclusion from “observations”, not from “conjectures”.

All evidence are OBSERVATIONS, whether you find evidence from fieldwork or evidence from performing lab experiments.

EVIDENCE are physical phenomena that can be -

• observed or detected,
• quantified, measured,
• compared against each other,
• tested.

Evidence should provide data (information) that can be compared against the explanations, predictions and equations (proofs). The evidence and data are what determine if the hypothesis or theory is:

1. TRUE & PROBABLE
2. FALSE & IMPROBABLE.

It is the evidence and data that matter more in science than the equations (proofs), because the equations could be wrong.

A scientists one self. one body human one mind. One he says my egotism.

Says maths gives me all the answers.

Because he is practicing science and maths is for science....says maybe my equations are wrong.

That's because you don't own mass in its naturally formed bodies.

Can you actually now claim your human greed and egotism exists as the scientist one self abstract from natural advice claim of I own everything before you destroy life?

 

[YoursTrue]

What began as a small Jewish sect had its numerical successes, as Paul said, amongst the Pagans. It never became a large Jewish sect ─ instead by the time John was written it was, or was about to become, a distinct religion.
All the biblical examples except Matthew's zombies ─ Elijah and the Zarephath woman’s son, Elisha and the Shunammite woman’s son, the man whose dead body touched Elisha’s bones, the Nain widow’s son, Lazarus, Tabitha ─ were resurrected in the flesh. That is, they implicitly went on to resume the ordinary course of their lives. Not so with Jesus, whose post-mortal state has various supernatural qualities, though the details between accounts are not consistent ─ the ability to go unrecognized until ready, to appear in and disappear from locked rooms, to be material enough to talk (and therefore breathe) and eat a piece of fish, &c. And then the ability to ascend, which later legend also attributes to Mary.

Zombies? hmm. anyway with that attitude, perhaps our discussion should not be continued. You think?

 

[YoursTrue]

You have been told time and time again, that science relied on tests, observations, experiments and evidence, NOT PROOF!

Evidence matters to scientists, not proofs.

Are you utterly incapable of understanding that PROOFS ARE NOT EVIDENCE!

Proofs are logical models, usually expressed mathematically in the forms of formulas, equations or constants.

Einstein’s Mass-Energy Equivalence equation:

E = m c^2​

That equation isn’t evidence, but it is a mathematical proof to .

Proofs are true, until it has been tested, and the only ways to test equations is through observational evidence.

So with regards to Einstein’s famous equation for Special Relativity, it was never verified being true, until it was supported by ,

Equations are not evidence. Equations are part of the explanation or prediction, but they are not themselves, evidence.

You would think you would understand these differences between evidence and proofs...they are not the same things!

It would seem that you can teach a 12-year old child the distinction between evidence and proof, but you cannot teach an adult creationist.



And here you are only partially right.

In science, you do draw conclusion from “observations”, not from “conjectures”.

All evidence are OBSERVATIONS, whether you find evidence from fieldwork or evidence from performing lab experiments.

EVIDENCE are physical phenomena that can be -

• observed or detected,
• quantified, measured,
• compared against each other,
• tested.

Evidence should provide data (information) that can be compared against the explanations, predictions and equations (proofs). The evidence and data are what determine if the hypothesis or theory is:

1. TRUE & PROBABLE
2. FALSE & IMPROBABLE.

It is the evidence and data that matter more in science than the equations (proofs), because the equations could be wrong.

It's not just that proof is not evidence. There IS no proof. Of anything in what is called science. I used to think science was real. I know better now. Have a good day. You keep repeating yourself, by the way. So long for a while. Maybe.

 

[YoursTrue]

Oh ye of little faith - apart from the obvious ones.

Science is hard I'll agree, so not so easy for those less inclined to do the work necessary or might not have the ability (and I include myself in the latter so often, given that many things elude me), such that the easier options are much easier to digest - like religious explanations for this, that, and anything else. But this hardly means any alternatives to science are factual or of any use, particularly when they come so often with so many negative aspects - like no proper provenance.

And how do you see all the religious beliefs being reconciled - if at all possible - given that some seem to be inclined towards an apocalyptic future? Not nice if the religions actually produced this too, if looked from outside. Oh, what a stupid race - they invented their own destruction!

same thing -- there is no proof in science, and its conjectures.

 

[YoursTrue]

People have been telling you this for a long time. What science does have is solid evidence for its theories (not absolute proof but certainly, in many cases, enough evidence to constitute "proof beyond reasonable doubt"). In contrast, religion, faith, and pseudoscience, like creationism and ID, have no proof and no evidence.

I know you don't/won't believe this: I do. I believe there is a force mightier than you and I that exists in conscience outside of our own consciousness. Anyway, do have a good day, I wish the best for you. That a force mightier than you or I exists is known by the heat of the sun, and by the fact that we face the prospect of death. That force is something stronger than ourselves. Again, so long for now. Just so I don't leave you with no conclusion about that -- the Bible says that death, too, will be overcome some day. (So long)

 

[YoursTrue]

That is a fascinating sentence.



You don't believe there are detailed fictional accounts of events in literature?

I'm sure there are. But not of the situation like the Bible, written and passed on. You, too, have a good day and night.

 

[YoursTrue]

Thank you, that was very nice of you to say that. You know when I was younger, of all the things I wanted to do with my life, I honestly thought, solving all the problems of human existence, was what I desired most. As everything else, seemed like the wrong way. And I once followed a man, who thought along these same lines, and someone once asked him, if he really believed that doing this would make any difference. And he told them, I don't know, but at least someone can keep the candle burning. And I always thought, that was the perfect direction, and the right answer. Have a great night, a good sleep, and hopefully a big smile, because you made my day a lot brighter....

Aw, thank you. No, I don't think you're stupid or crazy. I used to think that psychiatrists, doctors, and psychologists had all the answers. I went to many religious leaders to look for direction. (Got nothing.) I read Freud and other psychology books, again thinking they had the "answers." (Again, nothing.) But it's a miracle, yup, that I learned after all that to have faith in God, not in psychologists, etc. as giving me the answer to life. Since I don't want to get into detail here about my experience, I can only say that "seek and ye shall find." Or rather, pray and open your mind and heart.

 

[rational experiences]

I know you don't/won't believe this: I do. I believe there is a force mightier than you and I that exists in conscience outside of our own consciousness. Anyway, do have a good day, I wish the best for you. That a force mightier than you or I exists is known by the heat of the sun, and by the fact that we face the prospect of death. That force is something stronger than ourselves. Again, so long for now. Just so I don't leave you with no conclusion about that -- the Bible says that death, too, will be overcome some day. (So long)

Science.

Human theisms thought by humans owning human motivation.

The hu man theist for creation sciences.

Is first a self a human owning human conditions only. Natural.

Writes the bible as a living human says even the bible says one day we will overcome death. He wrote that belief. A human owns death.

The sun nothing like earth in its heavens has already consumed it's mass disappearing every day getting smaller.

Leaves a cooling black energy mass after energy burns out to darkness that breaks up falls away and empty space is left.

The satanic sun theist says one day the mass of the sun a pressurised compressed body will be dead like a dead planet.

Notice the sun is not any planet. Earth is not dead itself either.

I will overcome death he says.

So are you going to invent a new sun? As it's origin mass. Which would give earth by thought it's origin water mass. No bare ground no life no death either theoried by its thinker.

Didn't the human inventor previously pretend he was a God who invented everything and didn't god also incinerate all life on earth as a human satanist,?

Archaeological evidence found his old machine parts deep inside of earth.

Death....light constant gases burning makes us bio die. Evaporation effect constant natural.

I must invent dark clear empty immaculate space myself. No death then with no light. Planet earths heavens natural wants by machine want the clear gas not alight gas heavens. Inside the machine.

To claim a copy history.

I will channel the cause he says. I will knowingly invent it's causes.

Yet it is natural.

His dark space thesis is a dead burnt out sun energy by invention.

One human.
One mind.
One theory.
Science the theory.
One machine...one science..science earth dusts...nuclear power plant.

Self possessed in science by mind designed AI feedback visions of earth science only. Science the chosen one mind human practice.

We already knew he was a liar. Family is first.

 

[YoursTrue]

Science.

Human theisms thought by humans owning human motivation.

The hu man theist for creation sciences.

Is first a self a human owning human conditions only. Natural.

Writes the bible as a living human says even the bible says one day we will overcome death. He wrote that belief. A human owns death.

The sun nothing like earth in its heavens has already consumed it's mass disappearing every day getting smaller.

Leaves a cooling black energy mass after energy burns out to darkness that breaks up falls away and empty space is left.

The satanic sun theist says one day the mass of the sun a pressurised compressed body will be dead like a dead planet.

Notice the sun is not any planet. Earth is not dead itself either.

I will overcome death he says.

So are you going to invent a new sun? As it's origin mass. Which would give earth by thought it's origin water mass. No bare ground no life no death either theoried by its thinker.

Didn't the human inventor previously pretend he was a God who invented everything and didn't god also incinerate all life on earth as a human satanist,?

Archaeological evidence found his old machine parts deep inside of earth.

Death....light constant gases burning makes us bio die. Evaporation effect constant natural.

I must invent dark clear empty immaculate space myself. No death then with no light. Planet earths heavens natural wants by machine want the clear gas not alight gas heavens. Inside the machine.

To claim a copy history.

I will channel the cause he says. I will knowingly invent it's causes.

Yet it is natural.

His dark space thesis is a dead burnt out sun energy by invention.

One human.
One mind.
One theory.
Science the theory.
One machine...one science..science earth dusts...nuclear power plant.

Self possessed in science by mind designed AI feedback visions of earth science only. Science the chosen one mind human practice.

We already knew he was a liar. Family is first.

God has power over the sun. Matthew 5:45.

 

[Left Coast]

I'm sure there are. But not of the situation like the Bible, written and passed on. You, too, have a good day and night.

What do you mean, written and passed on? Many fictional stories are written and passed on.

 

[YoursTrue]

What do you mean, written and passed on? Many fictional stories are written and passed on.

Not like the Bible has been.

 

[rational experiences]

God has power over the sun. Matthew 5:45.

A long time ago science not biblical was theoried as the status science.

We all were satanic self combusted.

After the ice age with dead dinosaurs once Living not any microbe bacterias or modern animals. The nature garden survived.

As it's roots the plant were under a heated ground mass.

Ice hence melted stone cooled nature review was no longer a huge earth forest.

We came out of the eternal as pre owned spirit bodies changed in water life bio life instantly.

Evolving in as humans a Cooling atmospheric life DNA reproduced the lying human theist scientist. By human conscious DNA evolution. Who told you all he learnt science from previous man's AI pyramid destroyed machinations.

His old man of science voiced. So heavenly heard speaking telling him how. So he rebuilt it.

Hence he was not even reapplying science how it originally had been expressed.

In the human knowledge science the choice on earth as a human never pre existed.

Hence today you would have to ask how many human non science minds psyche consciousness exists enabled to think just for one human self.

One human is one human as one hu man. Science is not ones life.

Men re irradiated life sacrificed hence said after the experience attacked that one word use of one meaning as one purpose was only allowed.

For example i.e. or j.e. seeing J owned same reference as I...
Body. Body one is only a human.

The heavens were spirits or gases not bodies.

You were not allowed to use one word holy quote one meaning any other time.

Seeing human men used one word by intent one meaning only originally.

Part of human teaching for humans.

So modern science is how science was originally expressed quotes only I am right. No. Only science is wrong.

Humans natural are only right.

Gods heavens is not a self consuming energy mass as. Sun. Our gases own light burning voiding as gods gases are not a large energy mass burning.

A sun owns a huge mass of energy compressed. Our heavens is nothing like it.

Sun blasting equalled asteroids as pressurized sun mass.

God hence was higher in non consuming form. Why man was told by his own man self never practice nuclear consuming or gods spirit will empty out its entombed form..

Stone....empty dead tomb.

 

[Left Coast]

Not like the Bible has been.

Theocracy does have its benefits.