Evolution is a fact?!

[Subduction Zone]

People give birth chance-wise to sick children, they also kill children in war, or have abortions. Since people are supposedly part of the evolutionary process without intervention from God, who would you blame if you don't believe in God? People, or evolution? I know it's a hard question.

Do you blame God when things go wrong? I thought you avoided that.

People are not perfect. Abortions are sometimes necessary. They do not appear to be killing in the same sense of wars. And wars are quite often started by the religious. There were many Christian wars.

 

[F1fan]

It depends who you are as far as trust goes. You can blame it on evolution, I guess. It's sad, just like genocide is sad, but let me put it this way: if a parent had an inheritable disease, knowing there is a possibility that he can give birth to a sick child, who's to blame for that child's tragic life?

You avoided explaining why God has good reasons and purpose to let children be born with deadly genetic diseases. Does this mean you can't defend your god's actions? Would you do that to children and call yourself moral?

 

[F1fan]

People give birth chance-wise to sick children, they also kill children in war, or have abortions. Since people are supposedly part of the evolutionary process without intervention from God, who would you blame if you don't believe in God? People, or evolution? I know it's a hard question.

What humans do and what evolution does is irrelevant to what you claim about your God having a reason and purpose to let children be born with deadly genetic diseases. That's on your God. Can you defend this as moral and loving?

 

[YoursTrue]

You avoided explaining why God has good reasons and purpose to let children be born with deadly genetic diseases. Does this mean you can't defend your god's actions? Would you do that to children and call yourself moral?

It really doesn't matter. I don't have to defend the Almighty God's actions. And there are some things that are better to discover them for yourself.

 

[YoursTrue]

What humans do and what evolution does is irrelevant to what you claim about your God having a reason and purpose to let children be born with deadly genetic diseases. That's on your God. Can you defend this as moral and loving?

Well, since you don't like it (and really, no decent and sane human being would like to have a genetic defect, but we all do...it's inescapable...if it's in one, it's in the other). Otherwise, why would we die? So before I believed in God, someone rightly told me that no one can help me understand but God Himself. Since I didn't have faith, it was contradictory, but eventually God gave me that faith. So that answer kind of thudded with me when I heard it, because at the time I didn't have faith in God.

 

[tas8831]

We don't do this - well, hopefully not:

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(I couldn't resist!)

Who is "we"? Plagiarists?

 

[F1fan]

It really doesn't matter. I don't have to defend the Almighty God's actions. And there are some things that are better to discover them for yourself.

Excellent. So you believe in a God that has dubious moral attitudes and you can't defend it.

 

[F1fan]

Well, since you don't like it (and really, no decent and sane human being would like to have a genetic defect, but we all do...it's inescapable...if it's in one, it's in the other). Otherwise, why would we die? So before I believed in God, someone rightly told me that no one can help me understand but God Himself. Since I didn't have faith, it was contradictory, but eventually God gave me that faith. So that answer kind of thudded with me when I heard it, because at the time I didn't have faith in God.

Do you think your God has the power to save these children? Or let them be born without genetic defects? If so, since God allows it, or makes it happen, what exactly are you investing faith into about this God?

 

[YoursTrue]

Excellent. So you believe in a God that has dubious moral attitudes and you can't defend it.

Hardly. But here's something again for you to think about. When nations go against other nations and kill each other within and without, please let me know how you see that. Thanks.

 

[YoursTrue]

Do you think your God has the power to save these children? Or let them be born without genetic defects? If so, since God allows it, or makes it happen, what exactly are you investing faith into about this God?

There is a reason, I've explained, God permits it in the genes right now. Whether you like it or not, these defects are a result of Adam's sin. Perhaps you don't believe that, or perhaps think there could have been a better way. God has the power to change things and he will.

 

[F1fan]

There is a reason, I've explained, God permits it in the genes right now.

If your God didn't exist would nature be any different? Nature functions amorally, as if your idea of God doesn't exist. Could that be why you're unable to provide a reason why we observe children born with genetic defects and dying if medical care can't save them? Can you admit your idea of God is just inconsistent with what we observe as true and real?

Whether you like it or not, these defects are a result of Adam's sin.

And Adam's sin is a result of God creating Adam without the capacity for obedience. If your God wanted Adam to be obedient to rules it should have created him adequately disciplined.

Perhaps you don't believe that, or perhaps think there could have been a better way. God has the power to change things and he will.

I find your claims and beliefs absurd and illogical. I suggest you do as well since you can't explain the inconsistency of a moral God allowing genetic flaws to kill children. You can't have it both ways.

 

[SkepticThinker]

The only way a person can understand the Bible is if God opens it up for him. And since that apparently won't happen for some, then it is safe to assume that the logic about something (like the universe) starting from nothing -- or life, starting from -- nonlife -- is distant in understanding.

This doesn't address the point or your assertion about there having to be "evidence for a start" in the slightest.

It's just another assertion on your part that you have yet to demonstrate. Ironic, isn't it?

Especially since I can read and understand the Bible just fine. So that assertion doesn't hold up.

You claimed that has to be "evidence for a start" for evolution, but now you seem to be saying that there doesn't have to be "evidence for a start" when it comes to God and the Bible. In other words, your argument is illogical.

 

[SkepticThinker]

OK, here's a few thoughts for you to contemplate, and why--:
"Every formula which expresses a law of nature is a hymn of praise to God,” Maria Mitchell, the astonomer, wrote. And a century later, Carl Sagan (I knew his cousin well) wrestled with the same question before his death: He said, “The notion that science and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both.”
Perhaps they'll both figure it out in time. I don't blame Carl Sagan that he didn't believe in God. I didn't believe in God either until...later...

???

 

[SkepticThinker]

The Bible explains that we (mankind) inherit sin. There is a reason and purpose for God to allow this. But it will not happen this way forever, and I am sure that mankind will not exterminate itself or be eradicated by outside forces. I'm sure for two reasons. First is, the Bible says that the earth will become a beautiful place for all mankind someday, and God also promises that He will remove all causes of unhappiness.

Why should anybody care about or believe what the Bible says?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Well, since you don't like it (and really, no decent and sane human being would like to have a genetic defect, but we all do...it's inescapable...if it's in one, it's in the other). Otherwise, why would we die? So before I believed in God, someone rightly told me that no one can help me understand but God Himself. Since I didn't have faith, it was contradictory, but eventually God gave me that faith. So that answer kind of thudded with me when I heard it, because at the time I didn't have faith in God.

Thanks for pointing out how useless faith is.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Hardly. But here's something again for you to think about. When nations go against other nations and kill each other within and without, please let me know how you see that. Thanks.

Why do you keep comparing humans to Gods?

Isn't the God you believe in supposed to be better than us humans?

 

[Valjean]

Why do you keep comparing humans to Gods?

Isn't the God you believe in supposed to be better than us humans?

He certainly doesn't seem so, to go by his original depiction in the Old Testament. In fact, he seems much like a typical, human warlord.

 

[McBell]

You can't have it both ways.

Actually he can.
It is called "faith".

Faith is believing something your intellect would otherwise reject.​

 

[tas8831]

God can and will provide a disease-free earth in the future.

Nope.

Call me simple

Ok - you're simple.

 

[F1fan]

Actually he can.
It is called "faith".

Faith is believing something your intellect would otherwise reject.​

It's funny because so many theists want to think they are being rational and logical but then trap themselves in absurd claims and beliefs that can't be reconciled. Therefore faith, and all reason is thrown out the window.