Migrant Children Holding Facilities Reopen

[mikkel_the_dane]

send them to live with all you liberals.

Take 2:
That is not a solution, because you can't actually do it. What is your realistic solution?

 

[metis]

All too many Pubs are into the divide & conquer approach constantly used by Trump, thus having no compassion whatsoever with people fleeing the three Northern Triangle Countries, including even little children. Even Liz Cheney yesterday lamented that the Pubs are giving the appearance of embracing white supremacy.

I have to mention that Thomas Friedman stated a couple of weeks ago that 90% of Republicans are racists and that the other 10% are racists. Yes, he obviously was using hyperbole.

 

[esmith]

I tend to give kids a pass on that one. They don't have a choice in the matter. I might not use iillegal but I'd say displaced might be a better term for the kids. Adults of course need to be called for what it is. Illegal.

Maybe so, but have you ever seen what a "kid" is an effective killing machine? Not saying that all of those crossing the boarders fit into that class, but a "kid" can kill you just a fast as an adult. Every hear of MS-13, many of them are "kids".
In other words I don't give "kids" a pass, just because they are not considered an adult.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Maybe so, but have you ever seen what a "kid" is an effective killing machine? Not saying that all of those crossing the boarders fit into that class, but a "kid" can kill you just a fast as an adult. Every hear of MS-13, many of them are "kids".
In other words I don't give "kids" a pass, just because they are not considered an adult.

Yeah, I want to give them to you, the Republicans.

 

[tytlyf]

Maybe so, but have you ever seen what a "kid" is an effective killing machine? Not saying that all of those crossing the boarders fit into that class, but a "kid" can kill you just a fast as an adult. Every hear of MS-13, many of them are "kids".
In other words I don't give "kids" a pass, just because they are not considered an adult.

So paranoid, angry and scared. The science of the conservative brain.
Isn't it true illegal immigrants have lower crime rates than citizens?
Your fear of a tiny percentage of immigrants is noted. This reminds me of banning muslims because you fear a few may be terrorists.
All while ignoring the real threat in America.
Your far-right newsmakers exploit the fear given to you at birth. On purpose.

 

[esmith]

So paranoid, angry and scared. The science of the conservative brain.
Isn't it true illegal immigrants have lower crime rates than citizens?
Your fear of a tiny percentage of immigrants is noted. This reminds me of banning muslims because you fear a few may be terrorists.
All while ignoring the real threat in America.
Your far-right newsmakers exploit the fear given to you at birth. On purpose.

Does not your far left frontal lobe realize if they are illegal aliens they have already broken the law, hence their crime rate is 100%

 

[tytlyf]

Does not your far left frontal lobe realize if they are illegal aliens they have already broken the law, hence their crime rate is 100%

I'd assume most get deported. But you can believe whatever you think is happening.
Most of these children were showing up at the border claiming asylum, which is legal. Coming up from central America.
Your statistics are faulty. Symptom of radical-right newsmaker intake.

 

[esmith]

I'd assume most get deported. But you can believe whatever you think is happening.
Most of these children were showing up at the border claiming asylum, which is legal. Coming up from central America.
Your statistics are faulty. Symptom of radical-right newsmaker intake.

 

[tytlyf]

I have a new avatar for you

Ted Cruz approval rating with Republican voters crashes 23% following Cancun trip

 

[Ponder This]

Hmmm, I guess "kids-in-cages" when Trump was president is different when the Biden administration reopens the same facilities. Then again maybe words make a difference.
WH denies 'kids in cages' hypocrisy as detention centers reopen
White House defends reopening of facility for migrant kids
WaPo called out for report on Biden's 'migrant facility for children' after hitting Trump's 'kids in cages'
Ocasio-Cortez criticizes opening of migrant facility for children under Biden

In another thread, someone asked us to imagine how much worse another term of Trump could be. I asked what would be the worst thing that could be expected from another term of Trump and the answer that came back was the separation of children from their parents at the border.

Biden's response to throw out Trump policies and build more containment facilities for children stands as a stark rebuttal of that position. There are now thousands of unattended children at the border. Not only is it a total disgrace. But the wholesale removal of Trump policies clearly, directly contributes to this ever-growing, ever-worsening situation. To wit, the situation at the border would've been better under another term of Trump.

@Mr Spinkles

 

[metis]

In another thread, someone asked us to imagine how much worse another term of Trump could be. I asked what would be the worst thing that could be expected from another term of Trump and the answer that came back was the separation of children from their parents at the border.

Biden's response to throw out Trump policies and build more containment facilities for children stands as a stark rebuttal of that position. There are now thousands of unattended children at the border. Not only is it a total disgrace. But the wholesale removal of Trump policies clearly, directly contributes to this ever-growing, ever-worsening situation. To wit, the situation at the border would've been better under another term of Trump.

@Mr Spinkles

The motivations of both couldn't be more different. In Trump's case, it was politically motivated as he repeatedly exclaimed that he did it to "send a message". In Biden's case, this is not the motive, as trying to adequately deal with this influx in a humane way through trying to link them up with other relatives if they can't find the parents is what they're doing.

Thus, even in a court of law, "intent" is often very important to consider, and judges often take that into consideration.

 

[Ponder This]

The motivations of both couldn't be more different. In Trump's case, it was politically motivated as he repeatedly exclaimed that he did it to "send a message". In Biden's case, this is not the motive, as trying to adequately deal with this influx in a humane way through trying to link them up with other relatives if they can't find the parents is what they're doing.

Thus, even in a court of law, "intent" is often very important to consider, and judges often take that into consideration.

Are you taking the position that this situation isn't a consequence of Biden's purely politically motivated actions to revoke Trump policies? If not, then what was Biden's motivation?
What do you think would've happened in another term of Trump? Do you think there would be more or less unattended children?

 

[metis]

motivated actions to revoke Trump policies?

Nope.

If not, then what was Biden's motivation?

Biden has long been known, including by many congressional Republicans, as being a man of true compassion. Lindsey Graham and Meghan McCain have publicly attested to that.

What do you think would've happened in another term of Trump? Do you think there would be more or less unattended children?

Heaven forbid-- and It did.

There has been an upswing of children especially going north to the border and, granted, it probably would have been less under Trump.
This is a very serious problem that was totally mishandled by the Trump administration that made the problem far worse, and it was only public pressure that finally forced him to change some of his policy on this.

There is no easy fix for this, nor is it going to be easy for this administration to adequately deal with this, but this problem will not go away by itself since in is a humanitarian catastrophe with what's going on in the Northern Triangle Countries. Thus, we need to work with other countries to try and ameliorate this and, fortunately, "open borders" is not a solution that this administration is seeking.

 

[Revoltingest]

Nope.

Biden has long been known, including by many congressional Republicans, as being a man of true compassion.

It's also evidenced by his 1984 Crime Bill that put so many
people in prison for life over minor crimes. And his voting to
start the Iraq War. But he's particularly compassionate to
young women...touching them...

 

[Ponder This]

There has been an upswing of children especially going north to the border and, granted, it probably would have been less under Trump.

We agree! The border situation would've been better under Trump!

Biden has long been known, including by many congressional Republicans, as being a man of true compassion. Lindsey Graham and Meghan McCain have publicly attested to that.

Lindsey Graham: Children crossing border 'could easily be terrorists'

The senator blamed the recent surge of migrants on the supposed lax immigration policies of President Biden.
“Word is out that the Trump policies are being replaced by the Biden administration [policy] that if you get one foot in America, you are never going to leave,” Graham said.
“People will be coming … by the hundreds of thousands by the summer. It is a humanitarian crisis. It’s going to be an economic crisis for our cities along the border, and eventually is going to be a national security crisis, because they’re children today but they could easily be terrorists tomorrow.”​

Meghan McCain Snipes at 'The View' Co-Hosts Over Biden's Border Policy

“It wasn’t all Trumpism,” McCain continued. “And by the way, the deporter-in-chief was President Obama. I can’t — the idea that everything is just different in whatever days that President Biden … is just not intellectually honest.”​

‘The View’ host Meghan McCain salutes AOC for trying to free kids at border

“If you don’t believe me, believe Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez who has been absolutely hammering President Biden on this issue,” said McCain.
McCain hit back at Haines, saying: “I’m glad you’re okay with children being held in jail-like facilities.”​

What words would I use to describe it when a person rejects policies simply because they were put in place while a particular person he didn't like was in charge... hmmm, oh, that's right, "blind hate".

 

[metis]

We agree! The border situation would've been better under Trump!

Not for those children seeking asylum. To ignore their plight is 100% unethical, imo.

Lindsey Graham: Children crossing border 'could easily be terrorists'

This has nothing to do with what I posted.

Meghan McCain Snipes at 'The View' Co-Hosts Over Biden's Border Policy

This has nothing to do with what I posted.

The View’ host Meghan McCain salutes AOC for trying to free kids at border

This has nothing to do with what I posted.

What words would I use to describe it when a person rejects policies simply because they were put in place while a particular person he didn't like was in charge... hmmm, oh, that's right, "blind hate".

If you believe that this is what I was doing, then please put me on your "ignore list".

 

[Ponder This]

Not for those children seeking asylum. To ignore their plight is 100% unethical, imo.

IMO, granting asylum without examination can lead to unethical behavior. It is normally unethical for parents to abandon their children. Ignoring the reasons children are abandoned can lead to more parents abandoning their children. Committing two wrongs does not make a thing right.

This has nothing to do with what I posted.

This has nothing to do with what I posted.

This has nothing to do with what I posted.

You made a claim that Lindsey Graham and Meghan McCain attested to Biden being a man of "true compassion".

Biden has long been known, including by many congressional Republicans, as being a man of true compassion. Lindsey Graham and Meghan McCain have publicly attested to that.

So I posted for you what Lindsey Graham and Meghan McCain have stated recently about Biden on the particular issue of this thread. It is, thus, directly relevant. I hope that you now have a clearer picture of what congressional republicans, in general, actually think about Biden's policy on illegal immigration.

If you believe that this is what I was doing, then please put me on your "ignore list".

? You want me to ignore you? ? Why?

 

[metis]

IMO, granting asylum without examination can lead to unethical behavior.

Who said this? They are being vetted.

You made a claim that Lindsey Graham and Meghan McCain attested to Biden being a man of "true compassion".

So I posted for you what Lindsey Graham and Meghan McCain have stated recently about Biden on the particular issue of this thread. It is, thus, directly relevant

The first one deals with Biden's moral character, but the second one deals with policy differences.

I hope that you now have a clearer picture of what congressional republicans, in general, actually think about Biden's policy on illegal immigration.

Yes, I well know what racism and xenophobia looks like, and both are today what is driving the Republican Party. Thomas Friedman put it this way: "90% of Republicans are racists, and the other 10% are racists". Yes, that's obviously hyperbole, but then it ain't that far from the truth based on my experiences and what we are repeatedly hearing and seeing. I grew up as a Republican in a Republican family, but the blatant racism I repeatedly encountered appalled me to the point of only rarely voting for a Republican since the late-1960's.

? You want me to ignore you? ? Why?

Because if you think my thingy is lying, then you might as well just not converse with me because you could never believe what I post.

Either way, this terminates my participation on this as I have more important things to attend to.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes, I well know what racism and xenophobia looks like, and both are today what is driving the Republican Party. Thomas Friedman put it this way: "90% of Republicans are racists, and the other 10% are racists". Yes, that's obviously hyperbole, but then it ain't that far from the truth based on my experiences and what we are repeatedly hearing and seeing. I grew up as a Republican in a Republican family, but the blatant racism I repeatedly encountered appalled me to the point of only rarely voting for a Republican since the late-1960's.

And Democrats are better? The party founded for the purpose
of defending slavery later instituted Jim Crow. And even today,
their policies are rife with racism....
- Social assistance programs that revoke benefits as soon
as the recipient starts earning money, thereby trapping them
in government programs.
- Anti-Asian & anti-white affirmative action programs.
- The attitude that blacks are inferior (albeit because of
the effects of white racism), & therefore need special help.
- Their behavior, ie, they tend to not socialize with or live
with minorities.

What's it all mean?
You should treat people as individuals. Even a Democrat
or Republican could be a fine person. Give'm a chance.
& Democrats

 

[Ponder This]

Who said this? They are being vetted.

DHS Sec. Mayorkas: 'Loving parents' send kids alone to border

“We are not apprehending a 9-year-old child who’s come alone, who has traversed Mexico, whose parents — whose loving parents — had sent that child alone, we are not expelling that 9-year-old child to Mexico when that child’s origin, country of origin, was Guatemala, Honduras or El Salvador.”​

Mayorkas said, “We are actually bringing that child into a Border Patrol station as a stepping point to get that child in the hands of HHS, that has the capacity and in the unique talents to care for the child — health care workers, mental health counseling and the like — and moving that child to a sponsor as quickly as possible.”​

Some migrants sending kids across border alone because of Biden policy

Currently the Biden administration is expelling all new asylum seekers arriving in the U.S., citing Covid-19 precautions — except for children who arrive by themselves.​

The first one deals with Biden's moral character, but the second one deals with policy differences.

I am not convinced that congressional Republicans ever referred to Biden as a man of true compassion with respect to Biden's border policy. But if you have evidence of such, then you are free to present it.

Yes, I well know what racism and xenophobia looks like, and both are today what is driving the Republican Party. Thomas Friedman put it this way: "90% of Republicans are racists, and the other 10% are racists". Yes, that's obviously hyperbole, but then it ain't that far from the truth based on my experiences and what we are repeatedly hearing and seeing. I grew up as a Republican in a Republican family, but the blatant racism I repeatedly encountered appalled me to the point of only rarely voting for a Republican since the late-1960's.

You haven't shown that you know what racism or xenophobia look like. But you have made it clear what you think of close to 100% of Republicans, seemingly on the basis of being appalled by your family.

Because if you think my thingy is lying, then you might as well just not converse with me because you could never believe what I post.

Either way, this terminates my participation on this as I have more important things to attend to.

Why should I think you are lying?

I can understand having other things to attend to. Peace.