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Favourite Atheist arguments

tarasan

tarasan

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SigurdReginson said:
I think the contradiction lies more in the fact that two different lineages are given through the father between Luke and Mark. I understand the gospels are supposed to relate 4 different perspectives of those 4 apostles, but there's a difference between different perspectives and straight up contradictory information.

In a contradiction, one thing, or both things cannot be true. There are many more contradictions like that, such as where Jesus appeared after his resurrection, for example. Did he first appear to Mary Magdalene as per Mark, before seeing the disciples? In John she went to tell the disciples that Jesus had been stolen from his tomb. Then there's Luke, where Jesus first appears miles from Jerusalem.

Every gospel gives a contradicting account of what exactly happened after Jesus' died.

Contradictions in Jesus' Resurrection and Ascension

Back on the topic of Joseph, though, I think the thing that makes me scratch my head is that the writers felt the need to include Joseph's genealogy, and no one else. Why? Why was it important to recount his ancestry going back to Adam? Joseph's role in the bible is minute. Why add his ancestry at all if it wasn't to legitimize Jesus through his lineage?



Fair enough.



Esther was a queen according to the bible; not just a concubine. Xerxes already had a queen according to third party sources, and it wasn't her. There are many more historical contradictions than that, though.

Book of Esther - Wikipedia

The apparent historical difficulties, the internal inconsistencies, the pronounced symmetry of themes and events, the plenitude of quoted dialogue, and the gross exaggeration in the reporting of numbers (involving time, money, and people) all point to Esther as a work of fiction, its vivid characters (except for Xerxes) being the product of the author's creative imagination.[24] There is no reference to known historical events in the story; a general consensus, though this consensus has been challenged,[25][26] has maintained that the narrative of Esther was invented in order to provide an aetiology for Purim, and the name Ahasuerus is usually understood to refer to a fictionalized Xerxes I, who ruled the Achaemenid Empire between 486 and 465 BCE.[27]

According to some sources, it is a historical novella, written to explain the origin of the Jewish holiday of Purim.[28][29]

As noted by biblical scholar Michael D. Coogan, the book contains specific details regarding certain subject matter (for example, Persian rule) which are historically inaccurate.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjABegQIFhAB&usg=AOvVaw0QGa3m_BNXWPpM97QvBBOT



Can you explain what you mean by "It tends to be that athiests have one standard for the rest of history and the Bible another."

I was raised with the notion that the bible is divine. It is the word of God. If it falls short of perfection and is flawed, why should anyone think it's special enough to build one's concept of reality around?



What makes many gods less likely than one god? Why do gods have to be timeless? What does a god look like? It seems like none of these concepts are actually things we can ever know or see in an objective way. What makes one concept more compelling in a factual way than the other?



That's fair enough. Would you say you are an agnostic theist then?
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Frig that's alot of stuff to unpack!?

Can we pick one thing to go on and maybe back track to the others? Dealers choice ;).

No I'm not an agnostic thiests I definitely believe in a god but it would super crazy of me to say I know EVERYTHING about every other faith. I'm just saying that with the information I have pluse some person relationship I feel this camp is the right camp
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
tarasan said:
U see if there were a pink unicorn I suppose I would expect to see corpses, or shavings, pictures etc. But I don't see those things. Expecting, reasonably, to see evidence in certain places but finding none is evidence against something and while it's easy to do with a horse with a horn, with a diety it's not as clear cut.
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Why would you expect to see that? If a god exists would you expect to see corpses of god?
 
tarasan

tarasan

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ChristineM said:
What?
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The thing your describing isnt a unicorn in how it is defined normally. Just like me with the spegetti. U just can't go around giving well established thing certain properties eventually they just become something that isn't the original thing.
 
ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
tarasan said:
The thing your describing isnt a unicorn in how it is defined normally. Just like me with the spegetti. U just can't go around giving well established thing certain properties eventually they just become something that isn't the original thing.
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So how is a unicorn defined normally?

Just as you cannot go around saying a diety is any different from any other imaginary creature.

Oh and i forgot to enclose my text in [sarcasm] [/sarcasm] markers, sorry if my omission mislead you
 
SigurdReginson

SigurdReginson

Grēne Mann
Premium Member
tarasan said:
Frig that's alot of stuff to unpack!?

Can we pick one thing to go on and maybe back track to the others? Dealers choice ;).

No I'm not an agnostic thiests I definitely believe in a god but it would super crazy of me to say I know EVERYTHING about every other faith. I'm just saying that with the information I have pluse some person relationship I feel this camp is the right camp
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Hah! Alrighty then. :D

How about the contradictions of what happened to Jesus after his death as per my post?

And thanks for that. Interesting... I'd consider myself an agnostic atheist considering I don't know for a fact that there aren't gods; I just suspect it isn't so due to the lack of evidence for their existence (for the gods people have proposed so far, at least).
 
tarasan

tarasan

Well-Known Member
ChristineM said:
So how is a unicorn defined normally?

Just as you cannot go around saying a diety is any different from any other imaginary creature.


Oh and i forgot to enclose my text in [sarcasm] [/sarcasm] markers, sorry if my omission mislead you
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Because I know that a unicorn is a horse like creature with a horn on its head any major deviation from that and it becomes something else. And yes I can because I don't think he is imaginary ;)
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
tarasan said:
You know the way we have always described him
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There are many descriptions of God. Are you talking about how he was described in the Old Testament? You know, vain, incompetent. willing to murder at the drop of a hat, and willing to blame others for his failures?
 
tarasan

tarasan

Well-Known Member
Subduction Zone said:
There are many descriptions of God. Are you talking about how he was described in the Old Testament? You know, vain, incompetent. willing to murder at the drop of a hat, and willing to blame others for his failures?
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You need to read your old testament sir ;)
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
tarasan said:
Frig that's alot of stuff to unpack!?

Can we pick one thing to go on and maybe back track to the others? Dealers choice ;).

No I'm not an agnostic thiests I definitely believe in a god but it would super crazy of me to say I know EVERYTHING about every other faith. I'm just saying that with the information I have pluse some person relationship I feel this camp is the right camp
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I feel that feeling won't cut it.
 
ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
tarasan said:
Because I know that a unicorn is a horse like creature with a horn on its head any major deviation from that and it becomes something else. And yes I can because I don't think he is imaginary ;)
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Nope, as i said, it looks like a hoses in movies, only because the real beasty is in such short supply. Thus creating the common fallacy that they are horse like creatures
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What you think has little to do with evidence
 
tarasan

tarasan

Well-Known Member
Subduction Zone said:
I have read it. I have also understood it. Take those God glasses off. You cannot read what the Bible really says with them on.
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I have and I have also read the context of alot of those incidents. And looked at solid exegesis on alot of those . I'm afraid I misplaced those god glasses quite some time ago :).
 
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