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Is this few words enough to convert?

Howard Is

Lucky Mud
Oh, that was just friendly banter. You know, Arjuna could not defeat a Eastern India king with all his might because Arjuna had more than one wife and that king had only one. I have been a one-marriage person for 52 years. :)

I didn’t think you were serious. But I’m always ready to play along :)
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Where does the Qur'an say to avoid alcohol and pork? I'm honestly asking.

The verses are

"Prohibited to you are dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah , and [those animals] killed by strangling or by a violent blow or by a head-long fall or by the goring of horns, and those from which a wild animal has eaten, except what you [are able to] slaughter [before its death], and those which are sacrificed on stone altars, and [prohibited is] that you seek decision through divining arrows. That is grave disobedience". (Al-Mā'idah 5:3)

“O ye who believe! Intoxicants and Gambling, (Dedication of) stones, And (divination by) arrows, Are an Abomination – Of Satan’s handiwork; Eschew such (abomination), That ye may prosper.” [Al-Qur’an 5:90]
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Why would you assume I was speaking of an Abrahamic God (or a God at all for that matter) that was administering the test?
I didn't. Hindu Gods do not test there worshipers unless a worshiper challenges them and says that he is the greatest devotee. That is what Sage Narada once did. The karmas of people decide their fate by themselves.
 
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viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
They manage fasting regardless of sunrise and sunset, fasting is good for health.
Cool. Now that you are here, I have another question.
If you find yourself at the antipodes to the Mecca, in which direction do you pray? :)

Ciao

- viole
 
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FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Cool. Now that you are here, I have another question.
If you find yourself at the antipodes to the Mecca, in which direction do you pray? :)

Ciao

- viole

Direction is made for unity, imagine if every one in the mosque chose in which position to pray,
actually one direction and one layer of prayers is the perfect way to pray.

Direction isn't important to God as God has no specific direction, all directions will lead to God.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I don't say that those things are in it.
But seeing how Islam is practiced around the world,
those are possibilities.
He's decided that the Koran is "true" without having read it.
This poses a potential problem if he discovers something
that conflicts with values he won't give up.

A Muslim submits to god not the behavior if his peers. Like judging one Catholic by the laws of the church.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
A Muslim submits to god not the behavior if his peers. Like judging one Catholic by the laws of the church.
As one ignorant of the various scriptures of the many religions,
I'm limited to judging by what I see a religion's adherent say & do.
But even if their religious behavior differs from what others think
they should do, it's still their version of their religion.
The No True Scotsman argument doesn't sway me.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
The words i heard i must say is this : La ilaha illa Allah, Muhammad rasoolu Allah
If i say them truthfully, does that mean i am a muslim?
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Yes, if by saying truthfully "Talaq talaq talaq" you have divorced your wife. Easy, ain't it?

Ciao

- viole
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
As many of you guys know i have lately thought of converting to Islam, and yes one of the reasons is because of my girlfriend is muslim, and i have been asked by family if i by my own wish want to convert to Islam. There is no presure from them that i have to. Of course this is only one of many questions i must ask my self before accepting Islam in to my life fully.

But my main question is, i read that by saying one line of words out aloud i Will become a muslim. Is this true? I Will say it would be a lot more for me because i must learn the quran by heart and i know that is not easy.

The words i heard i must say is this : La ilaha illa Allah, Muhammad rasoolu Allah
If i say them truthfully, does that mean i am a muslim?

Please only serioues answers, its a serioues matter to me.

I don't know about the magic words but i do think you need to be able before you can run
 

Vee

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
As many of you guys know i have lately thought of converting to Islam, and yes one of the reasons is because of my girlfriend is muslim, and i have been asked by family if i by my own wish want to convert to Islam. There is no presure from them that i have to. Of course this is only one of many questions i must ask my self before accepting Islam in to my life fully.

But my main question is, i read that by saying one line of words out aloud i Will become a muslim. Is this true? I Will say it would be a lot more for me because i must learn the quran by heart and i know that is not easy.

The words i heard i must say is this : La ilaha illa Allah, Muhammad rasoolu Allah
If i say them truthfully, does that mean i am a muslim?

Please only serioues answers, its a serioues matter to me.

If it wasn't for your girlfriend, would you convert to Islam all the same? If the answer is negative, you might want to review your situation before committing.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
If it wasn't for your girlfriend, would you convert to Islam all the same? If the answer is negative, you might want to review your situation before committing.
It might have taken a bit longer time alone, then it look like I would need with her as a guide. But i think yes it was going that way. I been thinking about it for some time already.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Direction is made for unity, imagine if every one in the mosque chose in which position to pray,
actually one direction and one layer of prayers is the perfect way to pray.

Direction isn't important to God as God has no specific direction, all directions will lead to God.
Why? if direction is not important to God, why is it important if praying people all point in the same direction?

Do prayers have a higher rate of success if they all point in the same direction? Do they behave like a Feynman integral, giving a non zero value only if there is some specific direction providing a non zero sum?

Or is praying in the same direction just something formal? Something for the people joining in? Something to avoid the visual silliness of people praying in random directions, and possibly showing their elevated rear parts in the direction of some sacred place?

Ciao

- viole
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Yeah, the Abrahamic Gods always keep testing people, sometimes by earthquakes (disasters), sometimes by diseases (Covid-19). Those who succeed in the test will get to heaven on the day of Kiyamah.

Disasters aren't for testing, it's for warning and punishment.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
It might have taken a bit longer time alone, then it look like I would need with her as a guide. But i think yes it was going that way. I been thinking about it for some time already.
So, you believe Allah threw a black stone in the desert, for some reason, and gave a ride to Mohammed on a winged horse while He was in Jerusalem. And after a deep rational analysis, you came to the conclusion that black stones on the desert can only have a divine origin, and that Mohammed really flew to Heaven on a winged horse. :)

Well, if you do, you are ready to become a Muslim. However, you said your girlfriend does not know about it. So, check with her. Don't be overly romantic. She might not be happy with that, given the track record that Muslim husbands have with their women, since they do not usually stop at dressing them like batman. There might be good additional reasons why she is with you, and not with some muslim from her environment.,

Ciao

- viole
 
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FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Why? if direction is not important to God, why is it important if praying people all point in the same direction?

Do prayers have a higher rate of success if they all point in the same direction? Do they behave like a Feynman integral, giving a non zero value only if there is some specific direction providing a non zero sum?

Or is praying in the same direction just something formal? Something for the people joining in? Something to avoid the visual silliness of people praying in random directions, and possibly showing their elevated rear parts in the direction of some sacred place?

Ciao

- viole

Yes, for the prayers to be organized.

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viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Yes, for the prayers to be organized.

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And what do you think would happen if I pray in the opposite direction? By the way, where are the girls? Was that a gay prayer meeting?

Ciao

- viole
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
So, you believe Allah threw a black stone in the desert, for some reason, and gave a ride to Mohammed on a winged horse while He was in Jerusalem. And after a deep rational analysis, you came to the conclusion that black stones on the desert can only have a divine origin, and that Mohammed really flew to Heaven on a winged horse. :)

Well, if you do, you are ready to become a Muslim. However, you said your girlfriend does not know about it. So, check with her. Don't be overly romantic. She might not be happy with that, given the track record that Muslim husbands have with their women, since they do not usually stop at dressing them like batman. There might be good additional reasons why she is with you, and not with some muslim from her environment.,

Ciao

- viole

The hadith which says that the prophet visited heaven and met God is meaningless
and can never be true simply because the prophet didn't know how God looks like
and also the hadith says that the prophet saw that the hell was full with women,
how is that and the judgement day didn't start yet, no punishment will start except
after the end of life on earth and after the judgement day.

People do a lot of crazy things and they make it part of the religion, watch for example
what the Shiaa muslim do in Ashora as part of their religion, it has nothing to do with
Islam but it's in my opinion crazy practice.


The same also with some Christians, it's crazy in my opinion

 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
And what do you think would happen if I pray in the opposite direction? By the way, where are the girls? Was that a gay prayer meeting?

Ciao

- viole

You should face and follow the Imam, can you sit in the school in opposite direction and
give your back to the teacher?
 
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