mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
It's not that difficult to know what God knows. You can read it in the bible.
Yeah, to me that is a belief and not knowing God. I accept that you believe as you do. I believe differently.
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It's not that difficult to know what God knows. You can read it in the bible.
You don't know anything. All you know is what your liberal education wanted you to know, and your liberal education didn't want you to know some things, such as the liberal educational establishment being corrupt and liberal.What reason would I have for the belief that primitive folks, centuries ago, knew more about God than I do?
I know a ton of things that they didn't know. From science to ethics to geography to philosophy, I know a ton more than than the authors of Scripture did. Most modern people do, if they have a reasonable education. I'm not special or anything.
Why should I even consider the possibility that you understand God, because you revere some ancient people and feel attached to your interpretation of their literature, when I know more about a lot of things than they did and I have a much higher standard for evidence than you do?
Tom
You don't believe. Belief is based on evidence. When it comes to Christianity there's a lot of it.Yeah, to me that is a belief and not knowing God. I accept that you believe as you do. I believe differently.
Not one I arrived at lightly ─ not that that proves anything.Thats a very interesting statement mate.
If you can point me to a god not based on anecdotal ─ ahm, let's say ─ philosophy, I'll go and have a look for myself.That is you presuming that the omnipotent God must be a certain way but that's a presumption based on an anecdotal philosophy.
All you're doing is complaining that man is less than God. It is possible for man to have free will, but not the kind of free will that God himself possesses. Man is constrained by his physical limitations, that is clear, but he is not constrained spiritually now that the gospel has come. The grace of God has come to all. All can reject or accept it.If God is omnipotent then God perfectly foresaw every single consequence of giving men free will.
My own view, and not so uncommon, is that we have 'freedom' to choose, but we're never free of our own choosing mechanism, the processes of our brain by which we decide.
And, wholly independently of that, an omnipotent god rules out any possibility of human free will ─ it is impossible for any human to deviate, even by the width of a quark, from what God perfectly foresaw back before [he] made the universe.
The bible can say what it likes, but it has no cred until it directly addresses such issues.
You don't know anything. All you know is what your liberal education wanted you to know, and your liberal education didn't want you to know some things, such as the liberal educational establishment being corrupt and liberal.
What does that even mean? Surpassed in what way? There's certainly tons of human history that is far more reliable and evidence-based than your favorite theological works.In any case the letters of Paul and the gospel of John have never been surpassed in the field of human history.
Knowledge is based on evidence.You don't believe. Belief is based on evidence. When it comes to Christianity there's a lot of it.
Not one I arrived at lightly ─ not that that proves anything.
If you can point me to a god not based on anecdotal ─ ahm, let's say ─ philosophy, I'll go and have a look for myself.
Doubtless you've noticed it's the way of gods to want to be better than humans.All you're doing is complaining that man is less than God.
My problem with that is having no idea what a real god is. Without that, I don't think I can even call myself an atheist.It is possible for man to have free will, but not the kind of free will that God himself possesses. Man is constrained by his physical limitations, that is clear, but he is not constrained spiritually now that the gospel has come. The grace of God has come to all. All can reject or accept it.
Oh, good, so now only liberals can be corrupt. Typical!!You don't know anything. All you know is what your liberal education wanted you to know, and your liberal education didn't want you to know some things, such as the liberal educational establishment being corrupt and liberal.
That is mere opinion and taste. There's not a Muslim alive who wouldn't tell you that the Qur'an surpassed them, and that it itself has never been surpassed in the field of human history.In any case the letters of Paul and the gospel of John have never been surpassed in the field of human history.
of course it does. Otherwise the murderer has no choice.That I can think, doesn't mean that it is free.
so we are in agreement.I'm the guy who thinks my neighbor's sexuality is none of my business.
I'm also the guy who thinks any god who thinks homosexuality must be stamped out, who thinks that any homosexual person must be discriminated against, whether in this world or the next, is a moral midget. not worth anyone's respect.
Goodness, my remark was addressed to the air, not to you. Mea culpa.I did not say that. I agreed with you.
Mea culpa again. Go well!You did not understand my statement. So I shall rest. Have a great day.
Actually, I'd have to suggest that being omniscient, God is in at least one way less than I am. When you are omniscient, it is utterly impossible to have free will. To have free will means that you can decide to do something, that you had not decided on before -- and if that were possible, you would have already done it, because you knew about it before.All you're doing is complaining that man is less than God. It is possible for man to have free will, but not the kind of free will that God himself possesses. Man is constrained by his physical limitations, that is clear, but he is not constrained spiritually now that the gospel has come. The grace of God has come to all. All can reject or accept it.
You have no empirical and verifiable evidence.... but you can be a robot if you want to be.My brain makes decisions as the result of complex interacting chains of cause+effect. The decision-making process has been the subject of detailed studies.
None of them discloses a manner in which a decision is made independently of the biochemistry.
So we're left with chains of cause+effect, possibly kept from strict determinism (in the classical sense) by random quantum events.
We're a very complex robot, then, and maybe not totally reliable, but at no point are we independent of our own mechanism.
Then you have no problem with homosexuality or homosexuals. I must have misunderstood you ─ my apologies.so we are in agreement.
I did think about your sexuality.Then you have no problem with homosexuality or homosexuals. I must have misunderstood you ─ my apologies.
It occurred to me after I'd answered your previous post that you might have been asking if I'm homosexual myself. If that's the case, no, I've been hetero without effort, had a great marriage and three kids and so far two grandkids blah blah.
I just find the negative attitude of the Christian right to homosexuality to be grossly uninformed and wantonly oppressive. It used to be called gay-bashing, sometimes not just as metaphor.
On the contrary, I've followed brain research with the same interest I have in other areas of science, and the evidence you say is lacking is by no means lacking.You have no empirical and verifiable evidence.... but you can be a robot if you want to be.
of course it does. Otherwise the murderer has no choice.
Thanks, but not interested, I believe we are more than just a bunch of bio-chemical interactions.On the contrary, I've followed brain research with the same interest I have in other areas of science, and the evidence you say is lacking is by no means lacking.
If you're interested, a very easy place to start is a book called The Secret Life of the Mind by Mariano Sigman (2015). Clear, not too technical, intelligent, relevant to this conversation.
If you're not interested, go well regardless.