My neighbor IS welcome at my house. Where, in the recesses of your mind, do you get your info from? Speaks about who your are.That your neighbor isn't welcome at your house.
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My neighbor IS welcome at my house. Where, in the recesses of your mind, do you get your info from? Speaks about who your are.That your neighbor isn't welcome at your house.
by making choices.. or do you think you are just a robot with no thinking capacity?How does free will work? By what process can the brain make a decision independently of its biochemical / bioelectrical abilities to make decisions?
There are many Christian denominations that are fully accepting of LGBT persons, and many of those go so far as to marry them.
The United Church of Canada (the largest Protestant denomination in Canada, and second largest Christian one after Roman Catholicism), is fully accepting, and many parishes are happy to marry gay couples in their churches.
Here's a list of Christian organizations around the world that accept LGBT persons. I think you would wrong to suggest that they are all not "buying into Christianity."
List of Christian denominations affirming LGBT - Wikipedia
No, that's simply untrue. There's never a moment when the angel taps you on the shoulder and says, Here's the list, do you want to be straight or gay or bi, prefer vanilla or strawberry, be six foot or five foot, have red or blond or dark hair ... You get the kit you're born with.
Even were you correct, it would still be none of your concern anyway; but it's not correct. Occasionally it's visible from an early age ─ have you never met a child about eight or nine and thought he (more rarely she) is going to be gay? A boy who lived on our block when our kids were young used to come round to our house and play; and my wife and I compared notes after a while and each of us had had the same thought. So it proved ─ as I mentioned to KenS in a post recently, I remember drinks at our place when he graduated; his boyfriend was with him. Wherever he is now, I hope he's traveling well.
by making choices.. or do you think you are just a robot with no thinking capacity?
I never said that they were all not buying into Christianity. I said it's silly to be gay and be Christian. I'm aware that there are many denominations and churches that claim to be LGBT friendly. I should note here that many of them still are not, from what I've heard, and are still rather homophobic once you're inside, but I'm also aware that that's not true for all of them.
That doesn't change how I feel about the issue at all.
So you argue based on what you find silly. Okay.
What does that even mean?
My original post was giving my feelings and perspective on the issue. I haven't argued anything. Would you like to get into an argument?
I'm the guy who thinks my neighbor's sexuality is none of my business.My neighbor IS welcome at my house. Where, in the recesses of your mind, do you get your info from? Speaks about who your are.
I have already given it thought, but you do not seem to be able to address my argument that there is a difference between God's purposes, as take effect in heaven, irrespective of humanity's sins, and God's intentions for humanity, which is that they become sinless by repentance. It is not God's intention that men sin, even if some are given over to sin so as to attract the wrath of God in due course, to fulfil God's purposes.IF God is omnipotent THEN it MUST be true.
IF it's not true THEN God is not omnipotent.
A moment's thought will show you that's correct.
My brain makes decisions as the result of complex interacting chains of cause+effect. The decision-making process has been the subject of detailed studies.by making choices.. or do you think you are just a robot with no thinking capacity?
I think your analogy is exactly correct.The way I understand it, is to say as me as an Aspie that it is a choice. That is absurd. I have really tried as some homosexuals not to be what I am, but I am an Aspie. Trying not to be it only caused me misery and pain in the end.
It's not that difficult to know what God knows. You can read it in the bible.So you are God, because you know, what God knows.
But that requires God not to be omnipotent. If [he]'s omnipotent then ALL the bucks ─ every single one ─ stop at [his] desk ─ there's nowhere else they can stop.I have already given it thought, but you do not seem to be able to address my argument that there is a difference between God's purposes, as take effect in heaven, irrespective of humanity's sins, and God's intentions for humanity, which is that they become sinless by repentance. It is not God's intention that men sin, even if some are given over to sin so as to attract the wrath of God in due course, to fulfil God's purposes.
But you see, how you "feel about the issue" means absolutely nothing. It is not, you see, your issue.I never said that they were all not buying into Christianity. I said it's silly to be gay and be Christian. I'm aware that there are many denominations and churches that claim to be LGBT friendly. I should note here that many of them still are not, from what I've heard, and are still rather homophobic once you're inside, but I'm also aware that that's not true for all of them.
That doesn't change how I feel about the issue at all.
No. God is not the author of sin just because he gives men free will, and thus the ability to sin. Even if God can be accused of permitting sin, he does it so that he can be glorified in his mercy to those who sin ignorantly. I'll agree that if the whole world was full of "gay Christians" then there wouldn't be any point in allowing the world to continue. It would have to come to an end because there would be no further purpose for it, just like Sodom came to an end. Sodom is the biblical prophecy for how and why the world will end.But that requires God not to be omnipotent. If [he]'s omnipotent then ALL the bucks ─ every single one ─ stop at [his] desk ─ there's nowhere else they can stop.
If [he]'s not omnipotent, we can discuss the consequences of that.
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What reason would I have for the belief that primitive folks, centuries ago, knew more about God than I do?It's not that difficult to know what God knows. You can read it in the bible.
If God is omnipotent then God perfectly foresaw every single consequence of giving men free will.No. God is not the author of sin just because he gives men free will, and thus the ability to sin.
Do gay Christians who are in relationships with the same sex just dismiss what the Bible says about it but believe in some of the other parts of the Bible and consider themselves still a Christian? I know I dismiss parts in the Bible and I'm still a Christian.
My own view, and not so uncommon, is that we have 'freedom' to choose, but we're never free of our own choosing mechanism, the processes of our brain by which we decide.
And, wholly independently of that, an omnipotent god rules out any possibility of human free will ─ it is impossible for any human to deviate, even by the width of a quark, from what God perfectly foresaw back before [he] made the universe.