sooda
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One of the problems is that Christians took Jewish scripture out of context and forced it into a prophecy about Jesus.. That just makes a mess of things and diminishes Jesus.. as if he weren't enough to begin with.
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Why did the world reject the Messiah when He Did come?
- Thread starter TransmutingSoul
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One of the problems is that Christians took Jewish scripture out of context and forced it into a prophecy about Jesus.. That just makes a mess of things and diminishes Jesus.. as if he weren't enough to begin with.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Metacognition is the ability to think about our own thinking by sort of taking an objective observers point of view outside of ourselves. I find this lacking in you. The most obvious example of this is that you are conflating your opinions with the truth. The truth is most certainly out there. There is no way to know for absolute certain that you have it. In the end you are taking it by faith.
Each of us should have the humility to understand that there is always the possibility (however remote) that we have made a mistake. Thus, in all cases, both parties approach a subject from a bias, because we can't be truly objective.
Yes it is obvious in some cases that one person is more rational than another. There are a few people here in this forum that are so out in left field that they need a therapist (not you). But let's not go there. I think we are talking about matters of faith here, although we both argue from rational positions.
So again, my problem with you is not that you are a Christian. My problem is that you equate your beliefs with the truth, which shows a lack of metacognition (not to mention that it is arrogant). I suggest that you pray for a little Christian humility.
Terry Sampson
Well-Known Member
Interesting. So, do you suppose that if we take any and all gods off the table and out of the picture, all ugliness in the world would disappear?
I agree Truth has One Source. I see that the Source of that Truth is beyond our capcity to understand.
As we are created, we do not have infinite knowledge. As such we only have relative knowledge. So I see for us Truth becomes relative to our choices as to what is Truth.
In this world, I see the source to the apex of Truth and knowledge are God's Messengers. If we have not turned to them, we have not even started to explore what is Truth. If we turn only to one and reject others, we have rejected aspects of Truth.
I see Truth is relative to our ability to understand what God's Messengers have informed us of and shown us what to do.
Regards Tony
I see Jesus was a Source of Truth. As such, in that way, the scriptures do indeed tell of Jesus.
The question is then, why do we not see Jesus the Christ in those scriptures?
I see that is also applicable to Muhammad, Bab and Baha'u'llah.
Regards Tony
sooda
Veteran Member
The old testament doesn't have anything to say about Jesus unless you torture scripture and take it out of context.. And, I have never seen any evidence anywhere in the Bible for Bab or Muhammed.
Wheras I do. Truth thus becomes relative to our own understanding of the Ultimate Truth.
Regards Tony
sooda
Veteran Member
Its is fuzzy or actual words?
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
So, what you are saying is that Christianity is not the only true religion, and that Jesus is not the Only Way?
Spartan
Well-Known Member
I will pray that your spiritual blindness not continue to keep you in darkness.
"The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them (because they are spiritually discerned)." - 1 Corinthians chapter 2
"I am the way and the TRUTH and the life..." Jesus, John 14:6
Spartan
Well-Known Member
So, what you are saying is that Christianity is not the only true religion, and that Jesus is not the Only Way?
Nope, that's your spin.
sooda
Veteran Member
What is the "ultimate truth"?
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Again, lack of metacognition and arrogance. I will pray that you develop a greater sense of your own thinking, and a little more humility.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
Here's the context of my post. Tony said:
What does that have to do with taking away gods and thinking that will make all ugliness disappear? He is a Baha'i and taking what I think is an overly rosy picture of the world. I wanted to hear how he viewed death, disease, disasters and the like. Oh, and you were a "winner". What did you win?
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
If we assume Baha'is are right, and Baha'u'llah has brought the latest "Truth" God, what was the truth just before the Bab and Baha'u'llah? Which religion had "The Truth"? From what I understand from Baha'is is that none of them did. All of them had misinterpreted the truth. Baha'is can't even confirm that any other Scriptures of any of the other religions is even accurate, except maybe you accept the Quran. But which other religion's book of Scripture do you believe teaches the "Truth" about God? I don't think you do, do you? I know many of the Baha'is here fall back on the "original" message assumption. But there is no "original" message.
So, as near as I can tell, Baha'is accept and believe as true whatever the Baha'i Faith teaches was true about the other religions... and, of course, leaves off all the things in the other religions that would contradict what the Baha'i Faith believe is the Truth. Which is fine... sort of... after all, Christianity did that with Judaism. They reinterpreted Judaism to fit their beliefs about what the Truth is and now Baha'is have done it to them.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Serves 'em right. Bwahahaha
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
No, that is not my spin, that is the Christian spin...
Are you saying that Jesus is NOT the Only Way to the Father?
Terry Sampson
Well-Known Member
Unlike many RFers, as a general rule I actually do try to retrace a conversation between the person who posts something that catches my attention and the person or persons to whom they are responding. In other words, I knew you were responding to Baha'i Tony who certainly does seem to wear "glasses with rose-colored lenses."
- Tony gave you his version of "the Baha'i 'rosy' view".
- You responded with (my paraphrase) "How can Baha'i have such a 'rosy' view when there is so much evil/ugliness in the world?"
- IMO, your complaint is a common complaint that I've heard from the non-Abrahamic world to and against the Abrahamic religions in general, and--pardon my limited, biased perspective--most often and vehemently against Christianity.
- Here I acknowledge that your complaint was addressed to a Baha'i. Although I am no "good buddy of the Baha'i", I am, nonetheless, familiar with the complaint which your words echo.
- It's my naive impression that Christianity, more so than the other Abrahamic religions, has a goodly number of speculators who have dedicated many words to discussing theodicy: i.e. the "attempt to answer the question of why a good God permits the manifestation of evil, thus resolving the issue of the problem of evil."
- Since you brought up the problem of ugliness, I simply asked you if you had a solution to the problem of evil that doesn't involve gods.
- If you don't have an answer, that's okay. There's no RF rule that prevents you from saying: "I don't."
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
No, that is a misrepresentation of The Baha'i Faith.
Baha'is do not reinterpret scriptures to fit our beliefs, because that assumes someone had the correct interpretation and we changed their interpretation. That did not happen. Both the Jews and the Christians misinterpreted the prophecies for the Messiah so they missed the Messiah when He came; kind of like missing the broad side of a barn, but that is what happens when people are looking for a .Messiah made in their own image. Jews and Christians will just keep waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting for all of eternity, because their Messiahs are not coming.
Baha'is do not need ancient scriptures to fit our beliefs about what the Truth is because we already know what the Truth is as per the *current* revelation from God, the Revelation of Baha'u'llah. There is also Truth in the older scriptures, but it is not the Truth that humanity needs for this day, which is the unity of mankind. That is one reason God sent the Messiah.
John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
John 16:12-13 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Spartan
Well-Known Member
That's your bs.