Curious George
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One I hope no one would want to erode.
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Is it time to punish false accusers of rape/sexual assault?
- Thread starter Epic Beard Man
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Subduction Zone
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Far too often people do act on speculation. The proper thing to do with speculation is to investigate it and see if it holds up.
The problem with false cases is that they get much more attention than normal cases where a man does rape someone. I was familiar with the case of the "almost a Seahawk" football player since that made the new here. That is an especially egregious case since the girl's parents sued and won against the school district and they got wealthy from that case. Perhaps that tells us about awarding too much to victims. That will foster false claims. The other two cases I can think of are the Duke LaCrosse team case and the fraternity changed in a Rolling Stones ' article. Both found to be false and both had an impact on a number of innocent students. I am not too sure that I would want to change the law for such rare exceptions. What we can do is try to make sure that justices is served, both before the trial and after if people are found to be innocent.
On a sidenote, cases like this are why I am anti death penalty. Once served there is no going back if an error is performed in that sort of trial.
Shad
Veteran Member
I think there are more women in the US than men at this time.
False rape accusations have nothing really to do with empowerment due to the fact of being false. Unless you want to argue empowerment include making **** up.
Earthling
David Henson
That's another story altogether. Perhaps what we really need is laws for those who are in the position to do that.
And again, a few more years and you may get the hang of it
a few more years? be clear
50 or 60, is that clear enough?
I didn't get your post....U used an idiom...
Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
I don't want to blame feminism but from what I've seen in academia, agenda driven individuals tend to use certain platforms for their own agenda. This happens a lot. I just think there are people with over the top sensationalist agendas using a particular “gender model” ergo feminism or the hash tag #BelieveWomen to prove a flawed point.
Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
My apologies.
Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
Not really but what I am concerned about is equity in the justice system concerning the accused and the accuser. I am a firm believer that prior to arbitration the accused ought to not be subject to ridicule, loss of work, smeared and the like without due process. I believe that the law concerning being falsely accused and the compensatory punishment given to the one that does the false accusation should reflect the time and the psychological harm that it creates.
I again say rape and sexual assault is serious, but abusing the justice system with the deliberate attempt to do harm is also serious and there should be a law to reflect that. Mr. Banks lost years of his life, had a record and from my understanding had to register as a sex offender. Banks will never get any financial compensation from that women because she does not have $2.6 million.
Imagine the people in the court system that don’t have money to pay back for libel/defamation cases? You’re talking about having your life being ruined momentarily and loss of invaluable time you’ll never get back not to mention the psychological trauma.
Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
Curious. Are you a lawyer? Because in “at Will” states how would that work? I’m more concerned about the time it takes for financial compensation because even if you win, it takes time to recompense all of that not to mention the legal fees you incur.
I believe I mentioned this in my post not sure what issues are being conflated. My first post very much covered this based on the listed link.
Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
What does this mean?
Yeah well, that is to be expected. One day maybe you will get it
Shad
Veteran Member
Not a lawyer but I take interest in employment laws and contracts due to my own needs
At Will still covers illegal termination such as civil rights laws in general. For the case discussed here the only uniform code which is applicable is slander/libel. The employer would have to accuse the employee of a crime and make that statement to other people.
Other than that there is not much to do. The employee accepted the job thus the contract of employment. The government can not penalize other people for a contract one willing entered with few to no real policy behind it.
That is a general problem of the legal system itself thus applicable to a lot of cases.
My point was that not all of the mob's reaction can be laid at the feet of the accuser. Members of the mob have their own mind and their own principles, or lack of.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
In the UK, anybody who is proved to have 'Perverted the Course of Justice' in any criminal prosecution will be convicted of that crime, and most of those convicts end up in prison.
That includes deliberate false accusers of sexual offences.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
IIRC, women have always been slightly higher in population, but in a significantly weaker social position than men.
I never said it did. But false accusations are illegal in general, including false allegations of rape, and criminal charges have been brought against people who make these false accusations. Plus this issue has only really come up at a time when women are finding empowerment to speak against their attackers. And now there are plenty of jack asses on TV (and online) going on and on about a war against men, how men need to be worried and concerned because it could happen to them, and it's a really hard time to be a man right now - because women are standing up against sexual assault.
As Sunstone asked, is there any evidence to suggest that false accusations of rape are a serious problem? As, it seems to me, any time a woman says she was raped it is met with 1) she deserved it, 2) boys will be boys, 3) she should have known better, 4) she shouldn't have been dressed like that, or 5) she's lying. And few, including women, have any interest in hearing the victims out. And then those they accuse become suspiciously defensive and stupid during their hearing, but she's still the one at fault.
There is indeed evidence.
We've all hashed over the range of statistics (2% to 10%) of confirmed false allegations
in other threads.. This is only a lower limit because it doesn't include undetermined cases.
And the nature of the crime is that it often involves determination based upon testimony
with a paucity of material evidence.
Even 2% is indeed serious problem (for the accused), given the number of accusations.
Ref...
Rape in the United States - Wikipedia
There is also the common presumption of guilt for guys accused.
They and victims deserve better treatment than what is common.
Btw, your use of a colored font is messing up my quote function.
(I know that's why you use it!)
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
How does this compare to other areas of crime and false accusations? Is this rate lower than or higher than than false accusations of theft, robbery, property damage, and assault? And if the number is not higher than 10%, and as low as 2%, is this a widespread and concerting problem or more a problem with a handful of individuals?
I can't argue against that. But it's not looking like that many are falsely accused, not enough to think there is a problem with false accusations of rape but rather a problem with the women these unfortunate guys encountered.
Perhaps we should teach guys how to avoid conniving women in a manner similar to how women are taught to avoid rape? It would be an equal treatment, but it fails to address these issues. But we don't live a world of bubbles, rainbows, and unicorns, so perhaps men should take more accountability for whom they associate with and sleep with.
I haven't looked into false allegation rates for other crimes.
I'm going by figures supplied by those who say it's rare, ie, 2% to 10%.
There's no way to say it cannot be higher than 10%.
Moreover, if it's been determined that X% are false, then the actual number
would be Z% = X% + Y%, where Y% would be false allegations which are undetermined.
Thus X% is a lower limit.
Even if some of the accusations are multiple ones made by a single individual,
this wouldn't change the order of magnitude of Z%.
You aren't blaming the victims of false accusations, are you?
(I know that it's called victim blaming if I were to offer any advice
to women regarding their safety.)
Clearly, some training in sexual congress for all would be beneficial.