Breast implants: For or against

[Revoltingest]

That is where we have an honest disagreement. To me, the act of going for breast implants so that a woman's breast are larger and more attractive (not reconstrative) is an act of self sexual objecfitication. In essence, such women communicate that their worth is located via breast size and shape.

Technically, they don't communicate that....you infer that.
So you're OK with reconstructive surgery, eh? That would seem to serve the same purpose, ie, achieving
the appearance they want artificially. They'd do it to look more attractive & feel better about themselves.
Do you perhaps cut them some slack to "objectify" themselves when they're recovering from some trauma?
If so, it would mean that you find some women deserving, & others undeserving of boob jobs. Hmmmm....(to quote V).

 

[ninerbuff]

Here's a point that's not been hit on.
Let's say a man marries a woman with small breasts. He accepts her exactly the way she is. Let's say all her friends and family accept and love her with small breasts.
Now if you ask her if she asked if she could "fix" something physically and she says "I wish I had bigger breasts", then even with all the support and empathy shown by those closest to her, she still wish she had bigger breasts. Why? Because regardless of how "perfect" others may see a person, they themselves will always feel that there's something about themselves physically that they "fix".
It could be the nose, the lips, how the eyes set, better teeth, longer legs, smaller hips, etc. I highly doubt that there is ANYONE out there that is completely satisfied with their physical appearance be it man or woman.

 

[trdash]

Technically, they don't communicate that....you infer that.
So you're OK with reconstructive surgery, eh? That would seem to serve the same purpose, ie, achieving
the appearance they want artificially. They'd do it to look more attractive & feel better about themselves.
Do you perhaps cut them some slack to "objectify" themselves when they're recovering from some trauma?
If so, it would mean that you find some women deserving, & others undeserving, of boob jobs. Hmmmm....(to quote V).

Rev:

All action have infers or have interpretations.

The difference is that in reconstructive surgery a doctor repairs the body back to previous functioning due to accident, diseases or abnormalities. A woman losing a breast due to cancer (masectonomy) and having it surgerically repair back to normal functioning is vastly different than a woman who has smaller, but functioning breasts, that wants them larger.

 

[Gunfingers]

Rev:

That is where we have an honest disagreement. To me, the act of going for breast implants so that a woman's breast are larger and more attractive (not reconstrative) is an act of self sexual objecfitication. In essence, such women communicate that their worth is located via breast size and shape.

It could ALSO mean that the woman wants larger breasts because she feels it will make her more attractive. Saying a woman gets breast enhancement must value herself only for her breasts is like saying a guy who works out values himself only for his biceps. I mean, I'm sure there are people who's self image is so broken that they believe they only have value for their physical attributes, but as it turns out, some of us just like being attractive.

 

[Revoltingest]

All action have infers or have interpretations.

I think you read the wrong intentions & effects into the actions of women.

The difference is that in reconstructive surgery a doctor repairs the body back to previous functioning due to accident, diseases or abnormalities. A woman losing a breast due to cancer (masectonomy) and having it surgerically repair back to normal functioning is vastly different than a woman who has smaller, but functioning breasts, that wants them larger.

Would you prevent them from "up-sizing" or "perkyfication", allowing only restoration of former appearance?
Also, are you to determine what "functioning" means for every woman? Do you not allow them to decide for
themselves what the proper use of their hooters is?

 

[trdash]

It could ALSO mean that the woman wants larger breasts because she feels it will make her more attractive. Saying a woman gets breast enhancement must value herself only for her breasts is like saying a guy who works out values himself only for his biceps. I mean, I'm sure there are people who's self image is so broken that they believe they only have value for their physical attributes, but as it turns out, some of us just like being attractive.

Gunfinger:

Sadly, there are women out there whose self image is completely broken. My heart goes out to such women and men.

But, where do you think that comes from? It comes from multiple places in society (e.g., TV, Hollywood, fitness industry, sports world, etc.) – but it comes from everyday men and women who reinforce it in the everyday life. It comes from men who make crude comments after crude comments about preferring larger breasts. It comes from women who have a Barbie doll figure flaunting it. When women get breast implants to look attractive, they reinforce the societal message that female worth is located via breast size. With this said, I realize that there is a difference between a woman who gets breast implants for the privacy of her own home and lover and women who flaunt it – who can’t wait to get to the beaches after breast implants to be gazed on. And clearly the latter is more harmful to female worth, than the former. But in my mind, the very act of breast implants is a message that female worth is located via breast size/shape – which is a core principle or sexual objectification.

Why is it so difficult to simply appreciate a woman for her personality and have no breast size preference?

 

[trdash]

I think you read the wrong intentions & effects into the actions of women.


Would you prevent them from "up-sizing" or "perkyfication", allowing only restoration of former appearance?
Also, are you to determine what "functioning" means for every woman? Do you not allow them to decide for
themselves what the proper use of their hooters is?

Rev:

I love your phrases!

I do not oppose breast implants on the issue of female control -- all women should control their bodies. I oppose them because individual choice -- such as breast implants -- contributes to a societial sickness that female worth and crebility is located via breast size.

 

[Gunfingers]

Why is it so difficult to simply appreciate a woman for her personality and have no breast size preference?

While we're at it, why is it so difficult for gay people to just be straight?

I mean holy balls, how do you miss the point so badly? How is it that breast fetish, and only that fetish, means that you don't appreciate a woman as a person? Not symmetrical features, not low body fat, not muscle tone. Attraction to those means you still appreciate a woman's personality. But if you have the GALL to be attracted to larger breasts there's no way you can consider that the woman carrying them is a person, right?

You are not talking about mutually exclusive things here, either. A preference in physical characteristics does not mean, or even imply, a lack of appreciation for personality. I liked my ex girlfriend's cans, but she would never have made it to girlfriend rank if we didn't get along as well as we did.

And as a final thing, why is it okay to look down on bad personalities rather than bad physical appearance? Do you have any idea how much grief I get for majoring in computer science and math? I am constantly reminded that "girls don't like that". Where's the love for me and my god-awful personality, because I can change my appearance a lot more easily than I can change that!

 

[Revoltingest]

Is body building as evil as boob jobs? How about makeup? Short shorts? Teeth whitening? Liposuction?

 

[ninerbuff]

Why is it so difficult to simply appreciate a woman for her personality and have no breast size preference?

People do it everyday. You're just blind to the fact that it happens.
It's seems more and more apparent that YOU'RE the one who is obsessed here. Most here, and I'm sure amongst most of the population, don't look at breasts as "defining" a female.

 

[ninerbuff]

Is body building as evil as boob jobs? How about makeup? Short shorts? Teeth whitening? Liposuction?

Bodybuilding RULES! Back in the day I was totally sexually objectivified and was able to pick who I wanted to bang! I still get hit on by MILF's at the gym, but to my credit I am a one woman man now!

 

[Revoltingest]

Bodybuilding RULES! Back in the day I was totally sexually objectivified and was able to pick who I wanted to bang! I still get hit on by MILF's at the gym, but to my credit I am a one woman man now!

You poor man....wallowing in the shallow & false pleasure of being desired by hot women....tsk, tsk.

 

[ninerbuff]

You poor man....wallowing in the shallow & false pleasure of being desired by hot women....tsk, tsk.

Better than wallowing in bacon grease.

 

[ninerbuff]

So I was thinking...........all this "sexual objectification" crap being tossed about. Don't you think it started because of the prohibition set by religion? Sex, lust, oogling, etc. are considered a type of sin, and since we were kids, all of this is considered "bad" behavior.
I blame religion for forcing us to hide the naked body.

 

[Revoltingest]

Better than wallowing in bacon grease.

I got me some bacon & fried it
for purposes which you derided.
Slather on grease!
Achieve world peace!
Don't knock it until you have tried it.

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YouTube - ‪Grease me up woman!‬‏

 

[ninerbuff]

I got me some bacon & fried it
for purposes which you derided.
Slather on grease!
Achieve world peace!
Don't knock it until you have tried it.

[youtube]Z9_jIa2WADc[/youtube]
YouTube - ‪Grease me up woman!‬‏

It came from Revoltingstan's pig pen.
Where life sucks and is on the mend.
The grease that you got
Came from a bad lot
And now you use it for your rear end.

 

[Storm]

I came down against, for purely aesthetic reasons.

A woman's bosom is one of the most wonderful things in the whole world, and mutilating it is just. wrong.

 

[Felidae]

Hmm. For and against. I myself, could not see why any healthy, normal individual would want to go have surgery to make themselves better. BUT if you really are unsure about your body, or hate your boobs, why not. I myself, I have said I'd never have cosmetic surgery, unless I get maimed in an accident etc, or end up fat and losing half my body weight, and get those flabby skin bits. Or if, after I've had kids, my boobs drop till they reach my bellybutton.

However, I've had this friend with AA cup boobs. She had a great figure, great, pretty face, only she never filled her clothes the way she wanted, and so on. She felt less secure and less feminine . If she would have chosen to get her boobs done, who would have I been to object? I mean, I have large C cups. No complaints in that area.

But now, there's this woman in my zumba classes. Sh's truly the stereotype. Russian, blonde, kinda pretty face but not special, ok figure, only she just recently got her boobs done and now has large D, sorta E cups. They look disfigured. Too big on her body. Yuck.


SO: if you do it well, and are prepared to suffer the pain, fine, to each their own. Whatever. I will never have plastic surgery except for the things I mentioned in the beginnings of my post, and even then I'd be scared to death. I HATE wound aftercare.

 

[trdash]

However, I've had this friend with AA cup boobs. She had a great figure, great, pretty face, only she never filled her clothes the way she wanted, and so on. She felt less secure and less feminine . If she would have chosen to get her boobs done, who would have I been to object? I mean, I have large C cups. No complaints in that area.

Felidae:

My guess is that you have not read through the many posts. And I would not balem you if you did not -- this post has had some exciting dialog, but it is very long and I do not want to keep repeating myself. Suffice it to say, I have argued against cosmetic breast implants surgeries (not reconstructive due to illness, accident or abnormalities) because of the societal harm it creates. If this woman freind of yours is only think of herself, your psot makes sense. But part of the breast implant thinkng should be about how such surgeries affect how we as a culture ocate the worth and value of women, and the act of a breast implant is an act of sexually objectification - -which always harms women (and men).

I know this is easty to say, but please go back and read through some of the past posts -- espeically one's I've written -- and my thinking might make more sense.

 

[Revoltingest]

....the act of a breast implant is an act of sexually objectification - -which always harms women (and men).

Speaking from personal experience, I've never been harmed by boob implants.