JaconEzra:
In regard to post 445 let me just explain my thinking a little more.
I think breast implants hurts all people. Research looking at the long term physical health effects of breast implants is still pretty undecided. In a very literal sense, women who get breast implants today are guinea pigs, but guineas pigs that make other people pretty rich by exploiting human vulnerabilities.
Breast implants hurt other women because it reinforces the societal view that female worth is located by breast size and image. As more and more women get breast implants, it locates smaller breasts as less and less adequate. Sadly, there is breast size competition in society, driven more by men, than women but when women get breast implants they are supporting the view that breast size is paramount. And in my mind, although I find my wifes breast to be wonderful, they are wonderful because they are hers not related to size, be it larger or small.
Third, its harms men because it further reinforces a male disease of female sexual objectification. More men (cro-magnum type of men) than not prefer women with larger breasts and as weaker-minded women support this through breast implants surgery rather than highlight real strengths by resisting this and simply accepting their size more and more men think its ok and will expect a certain breast size. It adds more fuel to a male disease fire.
In regard to post 448, which is where the quotation is from I think you are missing my point (which I do not blame you since there is so much writing on this topic). Sadly, I think more men than not prefer women with larger breasts. Wonderfully, I think more women than not could care less about penis size. Men, more so than women, care about penis size (and breast size). In everyday society people can judge breast size to a certain degree (even when a woman dresses modest) but it is difficult to judge penis size for two reasons. First, general clothing covers its size for the most part. Second, erect size is impossible to know, unless in sexual types of events (and there is no correlation between flaccid and erect size).
Of course, men are not pressure free related to overall body image or penis size but this is more of a pressure that men put on men, that women do not (or to a much lesser degree). In general, men put pressure on women to have larger breasts, but women do not put pressure on men to have larger penises.
In your quotation of me (post 448) I was wondering out loud if there were societal events that sexually objectified men as is common in everyday society(e.g., Hooters restaurant) if this might cause men to experience sexual humiliation and could be used as a spring board to teach them regarding how brutal they are to women. I am not talking about private sorority types of sexual activities that sexually objectify men that are hidden but every day events. I thought a restaurant called something like wieners (although correctly Anne thought a better name could be sausages) with men in Speedo that sold really good food (sausages, for example) could parallel Hooters restaurant. That is why on another thread I also wondered out loud how men might think and feel if to see a female stripper they would have to go to a mixed gender stripper event.
That is what I was referring too; I was not suggesting men are free from such pressures. And although I think seeing such a social experiment might be interesting, in the end. I cant justify because two wrongs do not make a right.
