Yep, I was totally wrong to worry about escalation between US and Iran

[sooda]

I would agree, if that's what I believed was actually happening.

Iran has threatened to close the Straits of Hormuz off and on for years..

In the past 3 years the al Houthis have fired on ships in the Bab al Manda.

That is also a non starter.

 

[Wandering Monk]

The Iraq war started in '03. The USSR (the communists I assume you're talking about) collapsed in '91.

See the post I was responding to, #41.

 

[sooda]

Speaking of missing the point. President Trump has many good reasons to not want a war with Iran and many for wanting people to think he does and to talk about the prospect. Talk of a possible war with Iran helps his re-election prospects, for one. Now some people can’t even see these things. While others have such deep derangement about Trump that they are gullible dupes, doing Trump a favor without realizing it! These poor schmucks have Trump living in their heads 24/7.

Anyways, it isn’t like when Obama sent troops and bombed Syria killing thousands in total opposition to the government of that country. But he was a Democrat. So, he got a pass.

The problem in Syria was the 6 million Syrian refugees who had fled to Europe, Turkey, Lebanon and the GCC.

President Barack Obama plans to send as many as 250 more U.S. troops to Syria , bringing the total American presence on the ground to 300 to help fight Islamic State militants, U.S. officials said on Sunday. The decision, which a U.S. official said would be announced in Hanover, Germany, on Monday, was first reported by the Wall Street Journal and confirmed an April 1 Reuters report that the Obama administration was considering a significant increase in U.S. forces.
Obama to send up to 250 more US troops to Syria to fight ISIS
www.cnbc.com/2016/04/24/obama-to-send-up-to-250-more-us-troops-to-syria-to-fight-isis.html

 

[sooda]

The Iraq war started in '03. The USSR (the communists I assume you're talking about) collapsed in '91.

On Feb. 15, 1989, the Soviet Union pulled its remaining troops out of Afghanistan, ending the USSR’s nine-year occupation of the country. The Soviet Union’s Vietnam As the United States allied with Pakistan after World War II, the Soviet Union maintained a close strategic relationship with neighboring Afghanistan.
On This Day: Soviet Troops Leave Afghanistan
www.findingdulcinea.com/news/on-this-day/Feb/On-this-Day--Soviet-Troops-Leave-Afghanistan.html

 

[Revoltingest]

Oh, an unnamed source purported it to Joe Scarborough.

An unnamed third hand source reported by someone who loathes Trump, eh.
What's not to trust?
But there's still a great risk that nuclear warfare could happen if things escalate,
& the various US politicians who've threatened to obliterate or eliminate Iran
hold sway. Iran might need & use nukes just for survival. Note also that the
Pentagon lets it be known that they're considering tactical nuclear attacks.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

On Feb. 15, 1989, the Soviet Union pulled its remaining troops out of Afghanistan, ending the USSR’s nine-year occupation of the country. The Soviet Union’s Vietnam As the United States allied with Pakistan after World War II, the Soviet Union maintained a close strategic relationship with neighboring Afghanistan.
On This Day: Soviet Troops Leave Afghanistan
www.findingdulcinea.com/news/on-this-day/Feb/On-this-Day--Soviet-Troops-Leave-Afghanistan.html

Why do you do these random tangential copy pastes? I find them faintly condescending and quite unhelpful.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Iran FM gives location drone shot down after 'violated Iranian airspace'

And the US says it was a location over international space. So, who you gonna believe?

 

[Lyndon]

There is no international space in that section of the Strait, it is divided down the middle between Iran and UAE, the drone was shot down in the Iranian airspace. I'm going to believe that party that wasn't lying about International airspace that doesn't exist.

 

[columbus]

And the US says it was a location over international space. So, who you gonna believe?

Anybody but Trump?
There is no international airspace of the Hormuz. Trump lies and lies, and his supporters wave it off, because "Trump tells it like it is."
Trump could shoot somebody on 5th Avenue, and his supporters will support him.
Amirite?
Tom

 

[sooda]

Why do you do these random tangential copy pastes? I find them faintly condescending and quite unhelpful.

So as not to waste time, It wasn't 91.. it was 89.

 

[sooda]

There is no international space in that section of the Strait, it is divided down the middle between Iran and UAE, the drone was shot down in the Iranian airspace. I'm going to believe that party that wasn't lying about International airspace that doesn't exist.

You have no clue what you are talking about,

 

[Wandering Monk]

There is no international space in that section of the Strait, it is divided down the middle between Iran and UAE, the drone was shot down in the Iranian airspace. I'm going to believe that party that wasn't lying about International airspace that doesn't exist.

Airspace - Wikipedia

By international law, the notion of a country's sovereign airspace corresponds with the maritime definition of territorial waters as being 12 nautical miles (22.2 km) out from a nation's coastline. Airspace not within any country's territorial limit is considered international, analogous to the "high seas" in maritime law. However, a country may, by international agreement, assume responsibility for controlling parts of international airspace, such as those over the oceans. For instance, the United States provides air traffic control services over a large part of the Pacific Ocean, even though the airspace is international.​

 

[Audie]

We notice that through changes of administration
the war in Afghanistan goes on. The war in Vietnam
did too. Military interventions by the USA overseas
is no monopoly of either party.

To force the commies to send arms and money to countries that would never be able to repay, thus bankrupting communist countries.

That would be the right basic idea. Keep any anti US
coalition weak and disorganized.
The USA does self interest first; they are often inept and
not very subtle.

But, the world does revolve around the US, like it or not.

No preferable alternative is anywhere
near the horizon.

 

[Audie]

You have no clue what you are talking about,

Never stopped her before

 

[Wandering Monk]

This is a 12 mile radius circle representing the distance from shore that sovereign airspace could extend at the narrowest point of the straits.

 

[Valjean]

Shooting down a drone is a "major provocation"?

It doesn't take much provocation to start a war, particularly when one side's itching for it.

 

[sooda]

Airspace - Wikipedia

By international law, the notion of a country's sovereign airspace corresponds with the maritime definition of territorial waters as being 12 nautical miles (22.2 km) out from a nation's coastline. Airspace not within any country's territorial limit is considered international, analogous to the "high seas" in maritime law. However, a country may, by international agreement, assume responsibility for controlling parts of international airspace, such as those over the oceans. For instance, the United States provides air traffic control services over a large part of the Pacific Ocean, even though the airspace is international.​

See Corfu channel case.

 

[Wandering Monk]

It doesn't take much provocation to start a war, particularly when one side's itching for it.

That would be the side doing the actual shooting.

 

[Wandering Monk]

See Corfu channel case.

If the drone and warships were outside the 12 mile limit, Iran is the guilty party.

See Corfu channel case.

Not germane here unless the ships and drone were within the 12 mile limit.

 

[Stevicus]

Iran has threatened to close the Straits of Hormuz off and on for years..

In the past 3 years the al Houthis have fired on ships in the Bab al Manda.

That is also a non starter.

It would be incredibly foolish if they tried. If that was truly their goal, they'd still have to do a pre-emptive strike against the US and other Allied forces in the region.