Will Romney be the Next President?

[Copernicus]

BSM1, it's clear that you hate Obama and can think up all sorts of nasty things to say about the man. However, most of us can tune into Fox News and hear all those personal attacks done much more cleverly. I'm wondering if you can get past your contempt for the man and come up with some reasons why you believe others ought, or will be more likely to, vote for Romney. Right now, the country seems to be split between re-electing the President and replacing him with Romney. Obama holds an electoral edge over Romney, but his lead is tightening. Maybe the tactics of smear and hate, combined with a weak economic recovery, will win the day for Romney. If that is what you believe and want, then,by all means, carry on. I'm just wondering if, to paraphrase your words to another poster here, you've got anything else.

 

[BSM1]

It's obvious we are not going to see eye-to-eye on this, Cop. That's ok, that's what freedom is all about. And this doesn't mean that I don't respect you as a person, but I feel you, and others like you, refuse to admit how dangerous and inept this man is. Name me three things he's done that he said he was going to do. Ok, two things. Ok, one thing.

I truly do not hate Barrack Obama. Actually think he's witty and likable. I also respect him as a family man. However he is certainly not a leader, and I worry for my grandchildren's future.

 

[Copernicus]

It's obvious we are not going to see eye-to-eye on this, Cop. That's ok, that's what freedom is all about. And this doesn't mean that I don't respect you as a person, but I feel you, and others like you, refuse to admit how dangerous and inept this man is. Name me three things he's done that he said he was going to do. Ok, two things. Ok, one thing.

1. He implement health care reform (albeit his version was essentially a clone of Romneycare).
2. He stopped the economy from imminent collapse and saved the American auto industry.
3. He ended Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

I could list more. I am not pleased with everything he has done, and I dislike how conservative and limited his efforts have been in bringing about change. So I could list a lot of complaints about him, too.

I do not see Mitt Romney as a viable alternative to Obama. He lacks the experience in public office, having been just a one-term governor and out of office now for years. He has repudiated many, if not most, of his past policies that were implemented when he actually was in office. He appears to be interested mainly in protecting the wealth and privileges of the top 1% of income earners in this country. Worse yet, he would continue more of the destructive policies that we saw implemented during the Bush years. Obama doesn't have a great track record on rolling back some of Bush's worst policies, but he has moved in the right direction. He is a competent president, albeit not the best we could conceivably get. Hence, I will choose Obama over Romney in the next election.

 

[BSM1]

Kinda thin, Cop but thanks for playing

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Kinda thin, Cop but thanks for playing

It's not that thin. Obama has done quite abit of what he said he was going to do, and not only that he walked into an economic disaster and has faced possibly unprecedented amounts of partisanship. He's not the best, but mediocrity is better than completely running things into the ground like Bush did. And I don't see anything about Romney that suggests he will be anything but bad, especially since he is appealing to social conservatives and showing his interests in protecting the wealthiest of Americans, which does nothing but hold a very large majority of Americans back.

 

[BSM1]

It's not that thin. Obama has done quite abit of what he said he was going to do, and not only that he walked into an economic disaster and has faced possibly unprecedented amounts of partisanship. He's not the best, but mediocrity is better than completely running things into the ground like Bush did. And I don't see anything about Romney that suggests he will be anything but bad, especially since he is appealing to social conservatives and showing his interests in protecting the wealthiest of Americans, which does nothing but hold a very large majority of Americans back.

So you're saying your guy wasn't up to the job he said he wanted, right? Hmm..

 

[T-Dawg]

Do you ever watch the news? On any media? He evidently thinks all of our political ad social woes can be solved over a beer.

Er, I read the Wall Street Journal at one point, and I sporadically get news from the internet... I'd believe that Obama isn't a tee-totaler, sure, but I've never heard of Obama advocating beer as the solution to our political and social woes... That sounds like something WorldNetDaily would make up... unless "over a beer" is a metaphor for cooperative, friendly discussion, since bars are typically seen as a place of informal social gathering...




Also, Obama's kept a few of his promises: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/
Can't say he kept as many as I'd like, but that site has more than three.

 

[Copernicus]

So you're saying your guy wasn't up to the job he said he wanted, right? Hmm..

Actually, Obama was up to the job, but he hasn't been the stellar performer that his campaign rhetoric suggested he would be. It is fair to point out that he inherited a very bad mess, and the public rewarded him in the midterm with a Congress that has been impossible to work with. It is easier to criticize our politicians when they do poorly than it is to praise them when they do well. I believe that Romney is better than the party that he leads, and we should never forget that we get the party along with the candidate. Obama may not implement everything he promises, but he will push us in a far better direction than Romney. I have little doubt that Romney would be a moderating influence on his party, but the GOP has become dangerously overloaded with extremists or politicians too weak to resist the extremists. We'll be in a worse place if Romney wins.

 

[BSM1]

Actually, Obama was up to the job, but he hasn't been the stellar performer that his campaign rhetoric suggested he would be. It is fair to point out that he inherited a very bad mess, and the public rewarded him in the midterm with a Congress that has been impossible to work with. It is easier to criticize our politicians when they do poorly than it is to praise them when they do well.

Yeah, yeah..poor Barry. Think back, he had a total democrat congress for the first two years of his administration. Hello.....

 

[tytlyf]

Yeah, yeah..poor Barry. Think back, he had a total democrat congress for the first two years of his administration. Hello.....

Yep, and that's when Obamacare went through. Still, the republican obstructionism in congress started well before the Teaparty flew in. It only got worse after 2010.

You should fact check what you hear at Faux/Rushy

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Er, I read the Wall Street Journal at one point, and I sporadically get news from the internet... I'd believe that Obama isn't a tee-totaler, sure, but I've never heard of Obama advocating beer as the solution to our political and social woes... That sounds like something WorldNetDaily would make up... unless "over a beer" is a metaphor for cooperative, friendly discussion, since bars are typically seen as a place of informal social gathering...

The only time I can recall him offering to settle things over a beer (which is American enough that deciding things over a beer was common when our nation was being established and founded), was when the Harvard professor, or maybe Princeton or wherever he teaches and does research at, was arrested for breaking into his own house.

 

[BSM1]

Yep, and that's when Obamacare went through. Still, the republican obstructionism in congress started well before the Teaparty flew in. It only got worse after 2010.

You should fact check what you hear at Faux/Rushy

So what happen to the economy during this period?

 

[work in progress]

Why this is even being a debate question is ludicrous. Anyone that would even consider putting a lying, self-important, beer-swizzling, golf-playing, socialistic apologetic amateur back in office surely must be out of their minds. (More to be pitied than despised) One word for not electing B.O.-George Soros. Other than that I have no opinion either way.

The only reason why you focus on George Soros is because he is the one billionaire bankrolling the other team. Now do you have anything to say about Romney's billionaire corporate backers, or these clowns like Foster Friese and Sheldon Adelson, who almost bought their way to the GOP presidential sweepstakes? Limbaugh and the rest of the conservative propagandists drone on endlessly about Soros, but won't say a word about the majority of the filthy rich who have subverted a democratic political system with their money and influence.

 

[BSM1]

The only reason why you focus on George Soros is because he is the one billionaire bankrolling the other team. Now do you have anything to say about Romney's billionaire corporate backers, or these clowns like Foster Friese and Sheldon Adelson, who almost bought their way to the GOP presidential sweepstakes? Limbaugh and the rest of the conservative propagandists drone on endlessly about Soros, but won't say a word about the majority of the filthy rich who have subverted a democratic political system with their money and influence.

Could you maybe add a Karl Marx quote that will put the "evil rich" in their places?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So what happen to the economy during this period?

It's shown improvement, and unemployment went from double digit to 8%. Of course it hasn't been as fast as what most people want, but most people are very impatient and do not realize the government can only do so much to stimulate economic and job growth. If the government did take a very active role in such things, it would be to violate the free market, which many of those on the right will not have if it does not directly benefit them.

 

[Copernicus]

It's shown improvement, and unemployment went from double digit to 8%. Of course it hasn't been as fast as what most people want, but most people are very impatient and do not realize the government can only do so much to stimulate economic and job growth. If the government did take a very active role in such things, it would be to violate the free market, which many of those on the right will not have if it does not directly benefit them.

That is ironic, isn't it? Neocons had all sorts of excuses for why Bush could not be blamed for high gas prices and slow job growth. After all, a Presdent can't do much to affect the price of gas, and we wouldn't want him to meddle with the market, right? Now that Obama is President, suddenly everything going wrong is his fault, because he failed to do what a Republican would have done. Which is what exactly? Exempting birth control from insurance policies? :sarcastic

 

[work in progress]

Could you maybe add a Karl Marx quote that will put the "evil rich" in their places?

Back in the 90's and early 2000's, when I felt closer to conservative thinking, I used to listen to Limbaugh, Hannity and other right talk noiseboxes every day when I had to drive 40 miles to work every day. And I still have my links to Townhall.com, Human Events, Worldnetdaily, and a few others if I want to see what this weeks talking points are. Limbaugh, Beck & co. have been blathering on about Soros for years now, because he is the one billionaire that wants to run the Democratic Party, while the rest of them put their money into controlling the Republican Party. When it comes to dollars, the right wing billionaires easily overwhelm what Soros can put out at Center For American Progress quite easily! For myself, it's a worthless debate over which billionaire is worse. They should all be investigated and prosecuted for the array of crimes they have committed on their way to gaining their huge sums of wealth.

 

[BSM1]

Back in the 90's and early 2000's, when I felt closer to conservative thinking, I used to listen to Limbaugh, Hannity and other right talk noiseboxes every day when I had to drive 40 miles to work every day. And I still have my links to Townhall.com, Human Events, Worldnetdaily, and a few others if I want to see what this weeks talking points are. Limbaugh, Beck & co. have been blathering on about Soros for years now, because he is the one billionaire that wants to run the Democratic Party, while the rest of them put their money into controlling the Republican Party. When it comes to dollars, the right wing billionaires easily overwhelm what Soros can put out at Center For American Progress quite easily! For myself, it's a worthless debate over which billionaire is worse. They should all be investigated and prosecuted for the array of crimes they have committed on their way to gaining their huge sums of wealth.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Back in the 90's and early 2000's, when I felt closer to conservative thinking, I used to listen to Limbaugh, Hannity and other right talk noiseboxes every day when I had to drive 40 miles to work every day. And I still have my links to Townhall.com, Human Events, Worldnetdaily, and a few others if I want to see what this weeks talking points are. Limbaugh, Beck & co. have been blathering on about Soros for years now, because he is the one billionaire that wants to run the Democratic Party, while the rest of them put their money into controlling the Republican Party. When it comes to dollars, the right wing billionaires easily overwhelm what Soros can put out at Center For American Progress quite easily! For myself, it's a worthless debate over which billionaire is worse. They should all be investigated and prosecuted for the array of crimes they have committed on their way to gaining their huge sums of wealth.

Too bad that probably won't happen anytime soon. Unfortunately, I think things will have to get much worse before people actually do something.

 

[Revoltingest]

Too bad that probably won't happen anytime soon. Unfortunately, I think things will have to get much worse before people actually do something.

Careful what you wish for.
You don't know just who will do what.
Imagine your horror if we get into power.