Why western countries support Israel?

[moegypt]

Why western countries always support Israel ?? whatever they did like crimes against humanity and killing innocents

 

[MissAlice]

Good question but not all of us support it...

I have a feeling in the U.S. part of it has something to do with religious concerns such as the "second coming", they believe that the Jews have a purpose and that is a battle between them and the palestinians...which technically isn't anything that hasn't already happened.

There are other factors as well but most of it seems cloudy. I've often wondered myself why we support Israel. I mean if we're going to support Israel, why not other countries as well with all the arms and weapons we're giving them?

Sadly religion still plays a big role in our politics as well as elite bureaucracy.

 

[Watchmen]

Good question but not all of us support it...

I have a feeling in the U.S. part of it has something to do with religious concerns such as the "second coming", they believe that the Jews have a purpose and that is a battle between them and the palestinians...which technically isn't anything that hasn't already happened.

There are other factors as well but most of it seems cloudy. I've often wondered myself why we support Israel. I mean if we're going to support Israel, why not other countries as well with all the arms and weapons we're giving them?

Sadly religion still plays a big role in our politics as well as elite bureaucracy.

You really think it's religion? How about NY Jewish money?

 

[MissAlice]

Like I said, there are other factors as well but no one can deny most of the money has also come from religious conservative republicans.

 

[YmirGF]

Why western countries always support Israel ?? whatever they did like crimes against humanity and killing innocents

Some of us are very supportive of Israel because we believe Israel had every right to exist precisely where it is currently located. If they have committed so-called "crimes against humanity" then take them to the world court and see how things shake out. As for killing innocents, collateral damage is an unfortunate fact of war. Perhaps those who commit violent aggression against Israel should not hide behind innocent civilians.

 

[Watchmen]

Some of us are very supportive of Israel because we believe Israel had every right to exist precisely where it is currently located. If they have committed so-called "crimes against humanity" then take them to the world court and see how things shake out. As for killing innocents, collateral damage is an unfortunate fact of war. Perhaps those who commit violent aggression against Israel should not hide behind innocent civilians.

When Isreal (as it is today) was created, Pallestine was also promised it's own state. Do you support a Pallestinian state?

 

[MissAlice]

Some of us are very supportive of Israel because we believe Israel had every right to exist precisely where it is currently located. As for killing innocents, collateral damage is an unfortunate fact of war. Perhaps those who commit violent aggression against Israel should not hide behind innocent civilians.

If they have committed so-called "crimes against humanity" then take them to the world court and see how things shake out.

After what Bush and his people got away with in the Abu Ghraib incident?

Not likely especially if you get to pardon yourself....

 

[JMorris]

Some of us are very supportive of Israel because we believe Israel had every right to exist precisely where it is currently located.

whatever you think about Israel's right to have been created is irrelevant, they were created, and they now exist, and everyone on earth has the right to exist.

if they have committed so-called "crimes against humanity" then take them to the world court and see how things shake out.

Israel has asserted, on more than one occasion, that neither the World Court or the UN has any jurisdiction over it. and has already previously rejected WC decisions against it, and reject any UN resolution limiting its use of force. any ruling by the WC would have to in some way enforced by either the UN, or individual nation-states. neither have happened, or would happen because the US will veto any resolution to enforce WC rulings, and no individual nations would because of the US umbrella over Israel.

As for killing innocents, collateral damage is an unfortunate fact of war. Perhaps those who commit violent aggression against Israel should not hide behind innocent civilians.

whether you believe Palestinian militants purposely hide behind civilians or not is irrelevant. the Palestinian salients are the most densely populated areas on earth, even if they didnt want to "hide behind civilians" they'd have little choice.

 

[darkendless]

When Isreal (as it is today) was created, Pallestine was also promised it's own state. Do you support a Pallestinian state?

Wasn't Palestine given half of what is currently Israel but they did not accept it and wanted the whole lot? My knowledge of this is pretty weak.

In any case i'd support Israel as they are genuinly seeking to exist, not to create a war and then complain about it.

 

[moegypt]

Wasn't Palestine given half of what is currently Israel but they did not accept it and wanted the whole lot? My knowledge of this is pretty weak.

In any case i'd support Israel as they are genuinly seeking to exist, not to create a war and then complain about it.

 so you accept that some people come and drive you away of your home because their fathers was here southands of years ago?!!

 

[freethinker44]

Wasn't Palestine given half of what is currently Israel but they did not accept it and wanted the whole lot? My knowledge of this is pretty weak.

In any case i'd support Israel as they are genuinly seeking to exist, not to create a war and then complain about it.

The land was promised by western governments but the jews who fled there after ww2 took the land for themselves and persecuted the native palistinians.

Whoever used to control the land is irrelevant, it is who controls it in the present who has the right to it. The palestinians had the right to their land, but it was taken. Unfortunately we can't just give the land back, because taking the land from the jews who own it now would just be doing another wrong to make a right.

The past is the past, learn from it and let it go.

 

[Dunemeister]

No nation has a "right" to exist. A person has a right to life, but a state has no analogous right.

 

[Alceste]

I don't support Israel. Lots of westerners don't support Israel. We just have a really hard time getting our governments to be neutral in conflicts that have nothing to do with us.

 

[Sunstone]

For most of my life, I've been pro-Israel. But the illegal settlements are quite troubling. For that matter, so are the tactics and influence of the Israeli lobby in the US. These issues are deeply offensive and need to be rectified.

 

[YmirGF]

Do you support a Pallestinian state?

I support a demilitarized state that they can call whatever they like, along side the Jewish state of Israel. I support an end to the senseless killing, but am not holding my breath. The problem is religiously sanctioned hatred of Jews. In those terms, the Jews were once cast out of those lands and her current neighbors will never fully accept the fact that Jews have any right to inhabit lands that Muslims have sanctified as their own. You won't be seeing an end to this conflict anytime soon. The mistake in thinking is that this is a political problem that has a political solution. It isn't and it doesn't.

 

[kai]

When Isreal (as it is today) was created, Pallestine was also promised it's own state. Do you support a Pallestinian state?

Indeed they were its called Jordan! but things have moved on since then and i think all western countries would support a Palestinian state , Its just down to a peaceful solution.Its not the Palestinians that the west doesn't support its Paramilitary organisations that "Kill civillians" on their behalf. There is a legal framework to pursue "crimes against humanity" and "killing Innocents".I am sure if Arab states would put a little effort into it they could start the ball rolling.


War crimes in Gaza:
http://www.indepthnews.net/news/news.php?key1=2009-10-17 20:59:00&key2=1

 

[AlsoAnima]

The wars in the middle east are the same as all wars. It is what happens when you give up being civilized.

 

[Buttons*]

Well.... I know that NZ is considered a "western country" but their sympathies largely lie with Palestine. I can't speak for anyone else though... because it's been a while since I've seen another newspaper that isn't from New Zealand.

 

[Poisonshady313]

whatever you think about Israel's right to have been created is irrelevant, they were created, and they now exist, and everyone on earth has the right to exist.

If Palestinians believed this statement of yours, there would be peace in the region.

 

[Poisonshady313]

When Isreal (as it is today) was created, Pallestine was also promised it's own state. Do you support a Pallestinian state?

Sometimes it seems like Israelis are more in favor of a Palestinian state than Palestinians.

If only the Palestinians would cease their commitment to destroy Israel and accept peaceful coexistence, there could be a Palestinian state that would live in peace and prosperity.