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Featured Why Praise God When He's The One Who Brought Coronavirus To Us?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by SeekingAllTruth, Feb 20, 2021.

  1. Dave Watchman

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    I know.

    And there was another issue with Him asking Mary not to touch Him because He had not yet ascended to His Father.

    Did He make a quick trip to visit heaven? Then return back to eat with his disciples and to allow the doubting Thomas to then touch His wounds.

    But right now I'm watching for something to happen in the middle of the last heptad, or 40 days thereafter.

    Even a year or so leading up to that might be our days having been shortened for the sake of the Elect.

    And if we're lucky, the year of the Lord's recompense.

    Hebrew couplet:

    For the LORD has a day of vengeance,
    a year of recompense.

    I can do a year easy.
    Be the Lord willing.
     
  2. URAVIP2ME

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    If I remember right the word Pentecost stands for 50 days.
    In other words, resurrected Jesus remained around the vicinity of the Earth for 40 days after being resurrected.
    So, No 'up and back down' to Heaven.
    Resurrected Jesus used that 40 day time frame to use different materialized bodies to appear to his followers.
    Then, Jesus ascended to Heaven - Acts of the Apostles 1:9.
    Then, when Jesus reached his God - Hebrew 9:24 - then God's spirit was poured out at Acts of the Apostles 2.

    Yes, the day of vengeance is coming - Isaiah 61:2; Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-15
    So, whether on this side of the grass or already below the grass the Lord is willing to take care of us.
    Care via the resurrection, or by safely coming through the great tribulation alive - Revelation 7:14,9; Isaiah 26:20
     
  3. The Sum of Awe

    The Sum of Awe Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.

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    Why does it matter if God knows you will just turn around and cheat LOVE. That’s how he cares.
     
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    We also had the black death and other horrible deadly deseases but humans survived it too.Are you afraid to die?
     
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  6. Dave Watchman

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    Why not?

    Gabriel did it enough times in his visits to Daniel.

    And who do you think that the Commander of the Lord's Army was that allowed Joshua to worship Him outside the walls of Jericho?

    "When Joshua was by Jericho, he lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, a man was standing before him with his drawn sword in his hand. And Joshua went to him and said to him, “Are you for us, or for our adversaries?” And he said, “No; but I am the commander of the army of the Lord. Now I have come.” And Joshua fell on his face to the earth and worshiped and said to him, “What does my lord say to his servant?” And the commander of the Lord’s army said to Joshua, “Take off your sandals from your feet, for the place where you are standing is holy.” And Joshua did so.​

    And how can you explain Jesus not allowing Mary to touch Him?

    "Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”​

    But then eight days latter He invites Thomas to touch His side:

    "Eight days later, his disciples were inside again, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you.” Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side.​
     
  7. Trailblazer

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    Do you mean God or do you mean the devil?
    I fear only God.
     
  8. Trailblazer

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    God did not send Covid-19. You have confirmation bias from reading "stories" in the Bible, about plagues and stuff. :rolleyes:
     
  9. Trailblazer

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    With all due respect, I do not believe that Covid-19 is a punishment sent by God.
    That would mean God is unjust since most of the people affected did not do anything wrong.
     
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    Maybe God wants Covid-19 to exist, but that does not mean God sent it to us. :rolleyes:
     
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  11. Trailblazer

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    The Lord God did not write that. Isaiah did not even write that. Are you catching my drift? :rolleyes:

    With all due respect to Jews and Christians I think all Bibles should be removed from the face of the earth, for all the damage the Bible has done to people like you. :(
    The Bible is primarily responsible for atheists.
     
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    If God is omnipotent and omniscient and God doesn't want coronavirus to exist,then coronavirus won't exist.

    Separately, if I see someone drowning and I can rescue them (particularly if, as in God's case, it will cost virtually nothing in effort or resources), should I help?

    I think so. Nor do I see how God can avoid moral responsibility for something like a million Covid deaths around the world, not to say terrible financial and personal pressures on many more people than that, a lot of whom are avowed fans of [his].
     
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  13. LightofTruth

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    Jesus never told anyone to fear the devil.
     
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    You should probably read the entire chapter and quote the entire verse to gain some context.

    In this beginning part of the chapter the Lord is trying to remind Cyrus of who He is by listing some of His accomplishments.

    Isaiah 45:7 in it's entirety reads, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

    It is my understand that the Lord is claiming that in consequence of Him forming light - darkness was created. It makes sense.

    He also claimed that He made peace - and by so doing He created evil - as a byproduct. Just like light and darkness.

    God has given us literally everything. Everything. Good and Evil. And we need both to gain experience and grow.

    This kind of question is steeped in short-sightedness, ignorance and ingratitude.
     
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    So who did Jesus tell us to fear?
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    Or, you could think of it as we are in a relationship with God, the world, ourselves, and each other. What is our responsibility? What is our spiritual condition that manifests the disease?
     
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  17. Tony Bristow-Stagg

    Tony Bristow-Stagg One Planet One People Please
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    That is not what I was replying to.

    Regards Tony
     
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  18. Trailblazer

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    Ok, sawry. :(
     
  19. loverofhumanity

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    For a start the word ‘evil’ is out of context. There are many other meanings and definitions that have not been mentioned but are included in the Hebrew.

    Some include

    h7451. רַע ra‘; from 7489; bad or (as noun) evil (natural or moral): — adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, + displease(-ure), distress, evil((-favouredness), man, thing), + exceedingly, x great, grief(-vous), harm, heavy, hurt(-ful), ill (favoured), + mark, mischief(-vous), misery, naught(-ty), noisome, + not please, sad(-ly), sore, sorrow, trouble, vex, wicked(-ly, -ness, one), worse(-st), wretchedness, wrong. (Incl. feminine raaah; as adjective or noun.).
    AV (663) - evil 442, wickedness 59, wicked 25, mischief 21, hurt 20, bad 13, trouble 10, sore 9, affliction 6, ill 5, adversity 4, favoured 3, harm 3, naught 3, noisome 2, grievous 2, sad 2, misc 34; adj

    Now, in order to exercise justice often God must decree a certain act will bring about a disaster or consequence. So for instance drinking unclean water can bring about dysentery. Improper hygiene - cholera. The laws of gravity too has been endowed with harm - if we jump from a bridge or building we could die.


    God has created bad consequences for each and every wrong or morally wrong choice or action. So instead of consultation we had 2 world wars and millions died. The lesson is that consultation and unity would have prevented or limited casualties. Destroying forests and the natural environment, God has decreed will cause an increase in natural upheavals such as landslides and earthquakes.

    So God has endowed peace with its evil counterpart - war. That is, we can have peace or evil (war) it’s our choice.

    Now as to Corona virus. This was caused by some contravention of natural law by man, as a precursor of disease, is the failure to observe certain natural conditions such as hygiene and sanitation, or it could have been a deliberate act of terrorism on the world which would in any case fall upon man’s choice for peace or war.

    God has set the laws of the universe and does not interfere in the affairs of men except to send a Prophet or Messenger once about every 1,000 years to offer us counsel and advice but Who we usually kill.
     
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