1. Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Featured Why Praise God When He's The One Who Brought Coronavirus To Us?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by SeekingAllTruth, Feb 20, 2021.

  1. Tony Bristow-Stagg

    Tony Bristow-Stagg One Planet One People Please
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2017
    Messages:
    12,389
    Ratings:
    +5,644
    Religion:
    Baha'i
    That is the system we live in, Reward and Punishment.

    Regards Tony
     
  2. SeekingAllTruth

    SeekingAllTruth Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2020
    Messages:
    788
    Ratings:
    +428
    Religion:
    agnostic deist

    Looks like God is just getting started. Buckle up, kiddies. It's going to be a bumpy ride.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Optimistic Optimistic x 1
  3. SeekingAllTruth

    SeekingAllTruth Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2020
    Messages:
    788
    Ratings:
    +428
    Religion:
    agnostic deist
    Lots of people would.....:cool:
     
  4. SeekingAllTruth

    SeekingAllTruth Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2020
    Messages:
    788
    Ratings:
    +428
    Religion:
    agnostic deist
    COVID spreading around the entire world doesn't compute in my mind as being a result of man rebelling against God. The two just seem mutually exclusively.
     
    • Optimistic Optimistic x 1
  5. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2014
    Messages:
    31,309
    Ratings:
    +10,481
    Religion:
    Process of Spiritual Healing
    Well, I think when people mean god, they mean the source that started things in motion and that "source" keeps us going and alive. It doesn't create illnesses. The body is conditioned to age, get sick, and die. If we have a medical condition that doesn't have symptoms or the symptoms aren't and will not deter our lives then medical professionals wouldn't think of it as an issue-just as a dormant tumor, for example. It's just what the body does.

    If they believe god is an entity like Casper that like the Olympian gods came outside in the universe and shaped the moon and stars and earth, then I'm at a loss as you are.
     
  6. Tony Bristow-Stagg

    Tony Bristow-Stagg One Planet One People Please
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2017
    Messages:
    12,389
    Ratings:
    +5,644
    Religion:
    Baha'i
    There are laws on cleanliness, that are not practiced. Most of these viruses start in unclean conditions.

    Regards Tony
     
    • Like Like x 3
  7. Andrew Reil

    Andrew Reil Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2021
    Messages:
    67
    Ratings:
    +21
    Religion:
    The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
    I believe life is a test, like Job's. The Lord wants us to decide what we will do in various circumstances. There must be evil in the world to do this. Job said "shall we accept good from God and not trouble?" (Job 2:10)
    In the next life God will make everything right. In this life we need to decide who we want to become.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  8. Dave Watchman

    Dave Watchman Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2018
    Messages:
    515
    Ratings:
    +159
    Religion:
    Waldensian
    I agree.

    But the Devil is in the details.

    If I take a running jump off the top of the Empire State Building, when I hit the ground, did I kill myself?

    Or did God's Law of gravity kill me?

    I think Covid is one of the signs from Revelation 13 that the Dragon is given the power to do on behalf of, or in the presence of, the composite beast.

    These signs are providing to be the catalyst for the changes that the world is experiencing in the last year or so.

    "Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived.​

    But who is the only One that can give the Dragon the power to DO these things?

    My read on it is that when Christ returns, and just prior to that, He is going to undo His creation.

    It's just something that is baked in the cake.

    On the one hand it's not something I think is supposed to be cheered on, woe to those who long for the Day of the Lord. On the other hand, I'm told to look up, lift up my head for my redemption draweth nigh.

    Peaceful Sabbath.
     
  9. Dave Watchman

    Dave Watchman Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2018
    Messages:
    515
    Ratings:
    +159
    Religion:
    Waldensian
    I does in my mind.

    The fact that it DOES include the entire world is one of the indicators.

    Think of the MERS and the Zika and the original sars covid viruses that didn't make it around the world.

    On another thread here in 2019, I was saying something big had to begin, had to become evident in the "full veiw of mankind" in specifically January 2020.

    Because I see this as the time for it to happen.

    The heptads from Daniel 9 are playing out again in modern times, like they did from 457 BC.

    The timing of 7 weeks and 62 weeks are too peculiar for them to occur by random chance.

    Sunset 5:54PM.
     
  10. SeekingAllTruth

    SeekingAllTruth Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2020
    Messages:
    788
    Ratings:
    +428
    Religion:
    agnostic deist
    You think we're going into the 7-year tribulation?
     
  11. SeekingAllTruth

    SeekingAllTruth Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2020
    Messages:
    788
    Ratings:
    +428
    Religion:
    agnostic deist
    Is this Being a thinking person or just a force that keeps the universe in order. I don't know. COVID just seems so wicked and the Bible says God is the author of evil so I just put 2 and 2 together.
     
  12. URAVIP2ME

    URAVIP2ME Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2009
    Messages:
    13,962
    Ratings:
    +2,206
    Whether in the form of evil or calamity when we look at Scripture in context we can see that 'evil ' is Not always synonymous with wrong doing.

    Words evolve, so some of the King James' words are out of use in today's English.
    What is a shambles ___________ ( 1 Corinthians 10:25 ) In Jesus' day a shambles was a meat market.
    Today a person does Not go to a shambles to purchase meat, so the word shambles could be confusing.
    Let us know what you think of KJV :
    Philemon 1:8 ________________
    Genesis 25:29________________
    Leviticus 26:16_______________
    Isaiah 58:8 B ________________
     
  13. URAVIP2ME

    URAVIP2ME Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2009
    Messages:
    13,962
    Ratings:
    +2,206
    Think about this:
    The end came ' hard and fast ' in Noah's Day.
    The end came ' hard and fast ' for Sodom and Gomorrah.
    The end came ' hard and fast ' for un-faithful Jerusalem in the year 70.
    So, the pattern is set: The great tribulation / Armageddon will come ' hard and fast '. No 7 years.
    God's people will follow the advice found at Isaiah 26:20 ________________
     
  14. Dave Watchman

    Dave Watchman Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2018
    Messages:
    515
    Ratings:
    +159
    Religion:
    Waldensian
    No.

    Not in the traditional Hal Lindsey genre.

    But because the last 49 and 434 years have an unmistakable fingerprint in time, there has to be a last "week".

    Like the one from the first century that Jesus dies in the middle of.

    And then around 40 days after the middle of that heptad when two men dressed in white raiment said:

    "They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”​
     
  15. URAVIP2ME

    URAVIP2ME Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2009
    Messages:
    13,962
    Ratings:
    +2,206
    Let's see how serious Covid-19 proved to be:
    Casinos closed; Churches closed.
    So, when heaven and 'hell' agree on the same thing, well that is: serious.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  16. Treasure Hunter

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2016
    Messages:
    227
    Ratings:
    +72
    Religion:
    None
    Christendom refuses to judge God in this way and break from the habitualized status quo. It refuses to eat of the forbidden fruit and move Christ from the right hand of the Father over to the left hand.

    Because of this, Christendom continues to exist in a lower, more shallow version of truth. A truth that doesn’t completely fill and which causes repetitive, addiction like re-feeding.
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
  17. URAVIP2ME

    URAVIP2ME Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2009
    Messages:
    13,962
    Ratings:
    +2,206


    Yes, ' taken from you.... ' ( Like an air plane taken in the clouds becomes invisible to those on the ground )
    And since John 14:19 Jesus says........ the world would see him No more;.........
    Then, as Jesus was invisible to the human eye surrounded by a cloud, then we will see with the ' mind's eye' .
    A mental perception such as the things found at Luke 21:11; 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13
     
  18. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2014
    Messages:
    31,309
    Ratings:
    +10,481
    Religion:
    Process of Spiritual Healing
    I put it in perspective. Lung cancer, and illnesses that can kill you within three to six months, without full cure, I have more sentiment for. Nonetheless, I'd say force that keeps the world in order. I would say that is energy, but since religion is built around this force, to think of it that mundane would leave a bit of emptiness. I read one person awhile back said that if he didn't go to his altar in the morning everyday, he'd feel like he's missing something. So, unless god is a casper like being or so have you, I dont see the sense of blaming a force. Deadly and contagious illnesses are bad but I think we'd drive ourselves crazy overthinking COVID. Keep it in perspective. I don't believe god had anything to do with it.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  19. Treasure Hunter

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2016
    Messages:
    227
    Ratings:
    +72
    Religion:
    None
    Life is a test. It is a test to see who has the faith in that which belongs to them. Those who are weak in faith will wait and rationalize. In my view.
     
  20. blü 2

    blü 2 Well-Known Member
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2017
    Messages:
    7,612
    Ratings:
    +4,534
    Religion:
    Skeptical
    By the time Isaiah is written, Yahweh has become the ONLY god. Earlier [he] was merely said to be pre-eminent (eg "no other gods before me").

    So once [he]'s the ONLY god, and almighty into the bargain, the logic is inescapable. Evil ─ exactly like everything else ─ exists because God wants it to. If [he] didn't want it to, it wouldn't exist.
     
    • Like Like x 2
Loading...