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Featured Why Praise God When He's The One Who Brought Coronavirus To Us?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by SeekingAllTruth, Feb 20, 2021.

  1. SeekingAllTruth

    SeekingAllTruth Active Member

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    But your examples are just OT legends. No serious Bible scholars takes Noah's Ark and the flood seriously.

    The worldwide flood described in Genesis 6-9 is not historical, but rather a combination of at least two flood stories, both of which descended from earlier Mesopotamian flood narratives. Most biblical and ancient Near Eastern scholars argue that the flood is a mythical story adopted from earlier Mesopotamian flood accounts. These earlier accounts include the 17th century BCE Sumerian flood myth Eridu Genesis, the 18th century BCE Akkadian Atra-Hasis Epic, and the Epic of Gilgamesh,

    Forget about Noah's Ark; There Was No Worldwide Flood | Bible Interp

    I'm pulling the thread a little off topic with this but I thought I'd just mention. Coronavirus is just another plague God is visiting on the human race for whatever reason. Maybe He's bored. I'm aware that God set up the natural laws but the buck stops at God's desk, don't forget. He's the Grand Master of everything that happens, good AND bad.
     
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    I am of a mixed mind about it. I am a deist and deists would say, no God has nothing to do with it. But a part of me thinks there is a pattern playing out here. In the Middle Ages it was bacterias that destroyed whole populations. Now we have antibiotics. We seem to be moving into the age of virus pandemics. Think about it. The last great pandemics have all been viruses.
     
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    True, but only to a point. Is God responsible in any part for natural disasters that routinely kill tens of thousands of people? Or did God just set up the circumstances that can create them and let natural laws run the show. I just don't think that morally God can wash His hands of responsibility for all the misery in the world He created by fiat.
     
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    Eh, I'm learning to live with the idea of it.
     
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    The deist part of me says you're right. But something inside me says God cannot just do this kind of stuff to us and not expect there to be consequences, like creating 10 million more atheists who hate Him.
     
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    What does it matter? In the end He still says He's responsible for creating evil. I don't see how Him forming light has anything to do with evil, sorry.
     
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    Man has ALWAYS been more evil than good. God, if He is meting out punishment for the wrong we do we should have disappeared long ago.
     
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    Absolutely.
     
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    Poor God, He is always getting a bad rap for stuff people wrote about Him. :(
    Thank God I am a Baha'i, so I know all that stuff isn't true.
     
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    God never gets bored because He is too busy ruling and maintaining the universe.
    The buck stops at God's desk unless people meddle with nature and cause diseases.
     
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    God is not subject to morality, only humans are subject to morality, but God is responsible for the suffering that is not caused by human free will choices because God created this world in which people would suffer many things through no fault of their own.
     
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    So God gives us all things, both good and what we think are not so good. Job in his suffering did not curse God but blessed God even though he had many questions that about what was happening to him that he could not answer.
    In the end God showed him how great He is and all He has done and Job understood that we cannot really, in our puny ignorance, judge God for what is happening to us or in the world.
    I certainly want to trust God that He is ultimately in control and will bring a conclusion to all the evils and His good Kingdom will ensure, and we will then have a deeper understanding of why God allows evils.
    Sometimes it is for our good even though we do not realise it.
     
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    Yet, the Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew, so the accurate Hebrew words are what matter more than the greatest English translation.
    Besides, the way you are trying to take that passage from the scriptures out of its context and connect it to and blame God for covid demonstrates either lazy, ignorant biblical hermeneutics or intentional misinterpretation .
     
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    The first thing is that God did not really do all the plagues and stuff attributed to Him in the OT.
    The second thing is that God is impervious to being hated by those atheists and that's why He gets away with so much stuff. :D

    “Regard thou the one true God as One Who is apart from, and immeasurably exalted above, all created things. The whole universe reflecteth His glory, while He is Himself independent of, and transcendeth His creatures.” Gleanings, p. 166
     
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  15. SeekingAllTruth

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    This is an analysis of an Old Testament version of Yahweh applied in the modern world. Forget Yahweh's "I change not." God changes regularly according to how men of faith choose to describe Him in their writings. He's a brutal murderer in Joshua, a more benevolent god in the prophets era and a loving father in Jesus time. Today he is just absent.
     
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    If you think he's absent, then why are you blaming him for Covid?
     
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    God has always been absent, hidden from our sight. God only manifests His Attributes in His Messengers but God's Essence forever remains hidden, even from His Messengers. That just reminded me of a Baha'i prayer that ends like this:

    O Thou Who art the most manifest of the manifest and the most hidden of the hidden!
     
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    It does not necessarily mean that God wants it to exist just because God allows it to exist. Those are two separate matters. God has His reasons for allowing it to exist, not the least of which is noninterference in this world, as well as allowing humans to work things out themselves and learn form the experience so they will be more prepared in the future.
    You make God sound like a person, a kind of superman, but God is neither.
    What would it cost? You assume it would cost nothing to interfere with human free will upon which the entire operation of the world is based.

    Besides, how do you know that God did not help through helping humans, which is the only way God can help.
    Those vaccines sure got developed in record time.
    You are trying to turn God into a human.
    God is not subject to morality because is not a human. Only humans have moral responsibilities.

    Moral: concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior and the goodness or badness of human character. moral means - Google Search

    Ironically it is believers who are most affected since they are the vast majority of the world population but the believers do not blame God as nonbelievers do.
     
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    He was using "light" and "darkness" as analogous with "peace" and "evil."

    He did not create darkness - but His creation of light caused darkness to come into being.

    He did not create evil - but His creation of peace caused evil to come into being.

    It was Man - through Adam and Eve - who decided to partake of the fruit - which gave them Knowledge of both Good and Evil.

    It was Man who chose to know about the opposites in all things. Light and darkness. Peace and evil.

    If you want to blame God for the coronavirus - go ahead - but you should then thank Him for your health as well - since He is just as responsible for that.

    Also - unless He told the Chinese to eat bats or breed this thing in a lab - I don't believe it is His fault.
     
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    I believe that now, science has developed to the degree that it has been able to prove these natural upheavals have been the result of our treatment of the environment not God sent.
     
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