Hi TrueBeliever37 some comments below.
3rdAngel said:
↑
2.
Matthew 16:27-28: For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done. “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
Once again you are mixed up not knowing God's word. These scriptures are true as they read. You do know that the bible speaks of two deaths right? All mankind (except those followers who are alive at the 2nd coming) die once than after this the judgment *
Hebrews 9:27. The not tasting of death is in reference here to those followers at that time who would not taste of the 2nd death and receive eternal life *
Revelation 2:11;
Revelation 20:6;
Revelation 21:8. So once again you are confused in relation to what the scriptures are saying and do not know the scriptures.
Response.
Hi 3rdAngel, I want to preface this with the fact that I believe the scriptures are true, and these are NOT failed prophecies. (I gave my explanation of what I think it means in post 99)
Absolutely! Many of the signs listed in Mark 13 have been fulfilled and continue to be so un uncompleted prophecy is not a failed prophecy and the context is to the generation that will see all these signs come to pass.
But I just don't see how it could be the 2nd death he is talking about.
#1 He didn't actually say 2nd death in the verse.
#2 The 2nd death (which is equivalent to being cast into hell) occurs after he returns, not before. And no one in any generation will taste of the 2nd death before he returns.
#3 The 2nd death = having their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone. (aka - being cast into hell.) Revelation 21:8
Since the 2nd death = being cast into hell, substitute that into the verse and see if it makes any sense. The verse would then say: Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste (the 2nd death=hell) before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom. Does that really make sense to you?
The post you were quotiong from was only outlining that there is two deaths for the wicked as there is two resurrections one for the just and one for the unjust. The some standing here I believe is in reference to those who will be present at the 2nd coming and not in necessarily in reference to the disciples. Many believe Matthew 16:27-28 is in reference to the disciples not seeing death untill the establsihment of God's Kingdom as commonly shown in the commentary below.
Bengel's Gnomen
Matthew 16:28. Τινὲς, some) Our Lord does not mention them by name; and it was profitable for them not to know that they were the persons meant.[772] Peter then scarcely hoped that he would be one of them.—ὧδε, here) A strikingly demonstrative particle.—ἓως ἄν ἴδωσι, until they see) Something is indicated which was to happen, but not immediately (otherwise all, or nearly all, would have lived to that time), but yet something which would take place in that generation of men. This term (terminus) or period has various intervals: the vision, or seeing, various degrees up to the death of those who saw it, which followed at various times: cf. in
Luke 2:26, the expression πρὶν ἢ ἴδη, before he had seen, used with regard to Simeon. And the advent of the Son of Man advanced another step before the death of James (see
Acts 2:36), and passim till
Matthew 12:2, and cf.
Hebrews 2:5-7); another before the death of Peter (see
2 Peter 1:14;
2 Peter 1:19, and
Luke 21:31); another, and that the highest, before the death of John, in the most magnificent revelation of His coming, which the beloved disciple has himself described (see Gnomon on
John 21:22); a revelation to which the event foretold will correspond; see
Matthew 16:27, and ch.
Matthew 26:64. And a previous proof of this matter was given in a week[773] from this time on the Mount of Transfiguration; and, at the same time, out of all the disciples those were chosen who should most especially see it. It is beyond question, that those three[774] who witnessed our Lord’s transfiguration were peculiarly favoured with reference to the subsequent manifestations of His glory. This saying of our Lord appears to have been referred to, but not rightly understood, by those who imagined that the last day was near at hand.—τὸν Υἱὸν τοῦ Ἀνθρώπου ἐρχόμενον, the Son of Man coming) His conspicuous coming to judgment (see Gnomon on
Matthew 16:13) is meant, which would begin to follow immediately after His ascension.[775]
[772] And He may have thereby also at the same time sharpened others.—V. g.
[773] “After six days,” chap.
Matthew 17:1.—ED.
[774] Of whom James, in the year 44, Peter in 67, John in 102, are generally said to have died.—Harm., p. 372.
[775] Bengel, J. A. (1860). Vol. 1: Gnomon of the New Testament (M. E. Bengel & J. C. F. Steudel, Ed.) (J. Bandinel & A. R. Fausset, Trans.) (251–333). Edinburgh: T&T Clark.
For me however I can see an application here also to the visions given to John in the book of revelations in relation to end day events and the 2nd coming. I also see an application of Matthew 16:27-28 to the 2nd coming because of the context of v27 which for this post let's break it down to two sections within the scirptures context...
Matthew 16:27
For the [Section 1]
Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then [Section 2]
he will reward each person according to what they have done.
This is the context of v28 and tends to agree with these scriptures pointing to the second coming as his reward is with him...
Section 1;
Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels..
Matthew 24:27-31
[27],
For as the lightning comes out of the east, and shines even to the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
[28], For wherever the carcass is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
[29], Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
[30], And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and
then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
[31], And
he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Matthew 25:31
But
when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne.
Mark 8:38
For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will also be ashamed of him
when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.
2 Thessalonians 1:6-9
[6], Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
[7], And to you who are troubled rest with us, when
the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
[8],
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[9], Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power
Mark 13:27
And
then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven.
The context here in Matthew 16:27 is with his Angels which is in reference to the 2nd coming which is when he comes with his Angels.
..............
Now let's look at the second section of Matthew 16:27..
Section 1;
he will reward each person according to what they have done...
Revelation 22:12
And,
behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
So context here I believe also leans towards the second coming and those who will be present at this time.
............
Every eye shall see the second coming...
Paul tells us about how, at the second coming of Christ, "The Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire..." (2Thessalonians 1:5-10). John tells us, "Behold he is coming with the clouds and
every eye shall see him..." (Revelation 1:7).
The Resurrection of All the Dead at the second coming...
According to Paul, this will be "a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked" (Acts 24:15). Paul has wonderfully explained and described this resurrection (1Corinthians 15:35-58). John saw a vision of the resurrection. "I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne... the sea gave up the dead who were in it, and death and hades gave up the dead who were in them..."(Revelation 20:12-13). Long ago, Daniel was promised he would rise from the dead (Daniel 12:13).Jesus tells us how the dead will be raised at his second coming: "An hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; those who did the good, to a resurrection of life, those who did the evil to a resurrection of judgment." (John 5:28-29). Speaking to the high priest Jesus says; Matthew 26:63-64 [63], But Jesus held his peace, And the high priest answered and said to him, I adjure you by the living God, that you tell us whether you be the Christ, the Son of God. [64], Jesus said to him, You have said: nevertheless
I say to you, Hereafter shall you see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Probably will stop here as it is getting away from the OP.
God bless