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Featured Why Jesus Will Never Return and How the Bible Refutes Itself

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by Hubert Farnsworth, Jun 4, 2019.

  1. Hubert Farnsworth

    Hubert Farnsworth Well-Known Member

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    The central teaching of Christianity is that of the return of Jesus and final judgment, when Jesus will supposedly return, riding on the clouds of Heaven, to gather his so-called "elect" and carry them to heaven while raining fiery judgment upon all of the non-believers, while they tremble in fear of the "son of man" along with his "heavenly father." However, the Bible itself indicates that this will never occur, since this prophecy had a very specific time-frame on it. According to the bible, Jesus was supposed to return within the lifetimes' of the people who lived at the time Jesus lived on earth. There are many passages in the new testament that explicitly predict that the final judgment, return of Christ, rapture of believers and damnation of non-believers, was going to occur within the first century. Well, it never happened. And, guess what. It's never going to happen. Here is a selection of false prophecies from the bible concerning the return of Jesus. *Note:* Some Christian apologists make the mistaken argument that Matthew 10:23 is somehow not referring to Jesus' second coming. However, I included CONTEXT of all of these passages to emphasize that Matthew 10:21 contains the same words as Mark 13:12, a passage which is clearly referring to the final judgment, indicating that Matthew 10:23 clearly does in fact refer to the final judgment. The exact symmetry of these passages is emphasized by my underlining in the passages below, indicating that they are clearly referring to the same event.

    Furthermore, some Christian apologists also mistakenly argue that the "this generation" referred to in Mark 13 is not a reference to a literal generation. However, given that Matthew 10 describes the same Armageddon events alluded to in Mark 13, and given that Matthew 10 predicts that these events will occur within the disciples' lifetimes, indeed, before they finish going through the towns of Israel we can be sure that the generation referred to in Mark 13 is the generation alive at Jesus' time. In this way, when taken in context these two Scriptures clearly confirm each other to be false. But since this obviously erroneous prophecy is repeated so many times in the New Testament, I included two other occurences as well.

    Matthew 16:27-28:
    For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.

    “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”


    Matthew 10:21-23:
    “Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

    Matthew 13:12-30:
    Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child. Children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. Everyone will hate you because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.

    “When you see ‘the abomination that causes desolation’ standing where it does not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the housetop go down or enter the house to take anything out. Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! Pray that this will not take place in winter, because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now—and never to be equaled again.


    “If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them. At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘Look, there he is!’ do not believe it. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.


    “But in those days, following that distress,

    “‘the sun will be darkened,
    and the moon will not give its light;
    the stars will fall from the sky,
    and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’"


    At that time people will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.


    “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that it is near, right at the door.Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

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    Matthew 26:63-64:

    But Jesus remained silent.

    The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God.”


    “You have said so,” Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

    So, after our analysis, it is clear that the second coming of Jesus and final judgment were erroneously predicted by the bible to occur within the lifetimes of the people who lived at the time of Jesus. Thus, there is no reason to believe that they will ever occur.
     
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  2. URAVIP2ME

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    Wrong, I find at Luke 19:11-15 that Jesus is the nobleman who journeys far away (to Heaven) for a long time before he returns at his coming 'glory time' of Matthew 25:31-33,37,30.
    We are all invited to pray the invitation of Revelation 22:20 for Jesus to come!
    We do Not pray to be ' taken up ' to Jesus, Nor pray to be ' taken away ' to Jesus but for Jesus to come !
    Come and bring the blessing benefits to Earth as mentioned at Revelation 22:2 when mankind on Earth will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' on Earth for the purpose of the ' healing ' of earth's nations.
    This is in fulfillment to God's promise to father Abraham that ALL families of Earth will be blessed, and
    ALL nations of Earth will be blessed (Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18;18:18) blessed with ' healing ' as described in Isaiah 35th chapter when No one will say, " I am sick..." for ' enemy death ' will be No more on Earth.
    - Isaiah 33:24; Isaiah 25:8; 1 Corinthians 15:24-26
     
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    Of course he's not coming back. He's long dead and rotting corpses don't come back to life, float up to space and then float back down to Earth.
     
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    In the sense of the literature, Jesus claims stand.

    No one knows the day or the hour. 1000 years as a day, a day as a thousand years in God's sight. In the sense of the literature Jesus' claims stand. He will return. He already rules heaven and earth
     
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    You didn't address the scripture, "Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." That's a failed prophecy unless you can convincingly argue that that scripture doesn't mean that this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. Citing contradictory scripture does not make the fact that there is a failed prophecy go away. It just adds internal contradict to the list of problems with scripture.

    Consider the logistics. if Jesus was launched into space from Jerusalem some 2000 years ago, even at the speed of light, he's still stuck in the Orion arm of the Milky Way where he began, no matter what part of the galaxy was on his zenith at the time of lift-off.
     
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    :facepalm:

    "So, after our analysis" WHAT analysis!

    Suggest a course in how to interpret the Bible.
     
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    Yes, Jesus will come at his glory time of Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.
    Don't know the day or hour but we do know the season as per Matthew 24:32-33,37-38
    When Jesus takes control over Earth is will be as described at Psalms 72:8; Psalms 72:12-14
    Right now we are in the last days of badness on Earth as described at 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13
     
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    Get your head out of the Scofield heresy.

    Matthew 24:16 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

    Luke 21:21 21Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city.

    Jesus told them to flee to the mountains to avoid the tribulation.. and they did. They left Jerusalem and went to Pella.
     
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    Matthew chapter 24 and Luke chapter 21 have both a 'minor' and a 'MAJOR' fulfillment.
    The ' minor ' one can in the year 70 when the Roman armies destroyed unfaithful Jerusalem.
    Christendom is the modern-day counterpart of old unfaithful Jerusalem.
    The "MAJOR' fulfillment is for our day, our time frame - Revelation 1:10
     
  10. Hubert Farnsworth

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    You did not address even a single scriptural passage that I cited, nor did you attempt to address any of the logical arguments that I made.

    I can only assume that you have been utterly stumped, and thus, finding no way to refute my logic, you resorted to taking a snide jab at me instead.
     
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    A generation is 40 years .. The Bible says so. The tribulation was over in 70 AD.
     
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    You are making the same error that many Christian pastors and apologists make in attempting to make the passages about an event other than Armageddon. This is why, in my original post, I included the context of the scriptures, and underlined the portions (which are found in multiple passages) that confirm that the scriptures are in fact referring to the Final Judgment, and thus, each prophecy reinforces and confirms the failure of both itself and the others.
     
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    I believe this is a re-run.

    Failed NT Prophecies about the Second Coming of Jesus

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    What exactly do you think Armageddon is?
     
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    Explained in first paragraph of OP.
     
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    I wanted to but when you give a whole dissertation of biased positions with cherry picked verses and personal interpretations of unbelief-gone-to-seed ignorance-- where do I begin?
     
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    The Roman Empire was quite large in the first century. Egyptians, Syrians and Arabs also fought alongside the Roman legions under Titus.

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    Cherry picked verses? LOLOL. I included a vast amount of context on nearly all of them.
     
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    Whoever he is. LOL.
     
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