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Why I believe God Created Life.

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Evolution claims life arose from a series of chance events. The Bible says life came from God. This quote regarding a "simple" prokaryotic cell, or a cell without a nucleus, demonstrates the impossibility of life arising from chance, IMO. (Quote from The Origins of Life - Five Questions Worth Asking published by Jehovah's witnesses)

"What does the evidence reveal? Advances in microbiology have made it possible to peer into the awe-inspiring interior of the simplest living prokaryotic cells known. Evolutionary scientists theorize that the first living cells must have looked something like these cells.

If the theory of evolution is true, it should offer a plausible explanation of how the first “simple” cell formed by chance. On the other hand, if life was created, there should be evidence of ingenious design even in the smallest of creatures. Why not take a tour of a prokaryotic cell? As you do so, ask yourself whether such a cell could arise by chance.

THE CELL’S PROTECTIVE WALL

To tour a prokaryotic cell, you would have to shrink to a size that is hundreds of times smaller than the period at the end of this sentence. Keeping you out of the cell is a tough, flexible membrane that acts like a brick and mortar wall surrounding a factory. It would take some 10,000 layers of this membrane to equal the thickness of a sheet of paper. But the membrane of a cell is much more sophisticated than the brick wall. In what ways?

Like the wall surrounding a factory, the membrane of a cell shields the contents from a potentially hostile environment. However, the membrane is not solid; it allows the cell to “breathe,” permitting small molecules, such as oxygen, to pass in or out. But the membrane blocks more complex, potentially damaging molecules from entering without the cell’s permission. The membrane also prevents useful molecules from leaving the cell. How does the membrane manage such feats?

Think again of a factory. It might have security guards who monitor the products that enter and leave through the doorways in the factory wall. Similarly, the cell membrane has special protein molecules embedded in it that act like the doors and the security guards.

Some of these proteins (1) have a hole through the middle of them that allows only specific types of molecules in and out of the cell. Other proteins are open on one side of the cell membrane (2) and closed on the other. They have a docking site (3) shaped to fit a specific substance. When that substance docks, the other end of the protein opens and releases the cargo through the membrane (4). All this activity is happening on the surface of even the simplest of cells."

That is just the beginning of the complexity encountered in so-called simple cells.
 

Breathe

Hostis humani generis
I see, thank you for sharing.

My opinion is that God favours life because through life God can experience finiteness and the things that come with it; we are God experiencing God.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
The ToE, as Mestemia said, does not claim that abiogenesis happened. It sort of suggests the idea, though.

Did it happen? I guess those who want to doubt it will always keep doubting. We can't really go back in time to prove that the first living beings developed without supernatural interference. Even if we saw the first few cells forming, how could one evidence no divine will behind it?

That said, I fully expect further advance at efforts in evidencing abiogenesis. It is not half as unlikely as some people believe, and there is considerable evidence that it indeed happened.
 

dyanaprajna2011

Dharmapala
As has been pointed out, evolution =/= abiogenesis. What I find funny is how people who don't think abiogenesis could have happened, even completely randomly, somehow think humans, or even life in general, simply has to exist for some reason. Even if it is just random chance that abiogenesis occurred, so what?
 

outhouse

Atheistically
"What does the evidence reveal?
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That theology and mythology have no place in "historical reality"

But here are some facts for you, can you find anything at all we can attribute to any deity?

This is viewed a truth for most of the educated world, and contains substantiated facts to back their position.

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts
about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.
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GoodbyeDave

Well-Known Member
As has been said, evolution is not the same as abiogenesis. Evolution shows us how species are shaped by their environment, but something has to be alive to take part in the game!

One of the fundamental assumptions of the natural sciences is the principal of temporal uniformity: all other things being equal, what happened then should be the same as what happens now. Without that, there isn't a theory of evolution, or historical geology, or a big bang theory. But if abopgenesis happened then, it should happen now if the same circumstances obtain. And it doesn't. This is not conclusive: we may not have looked in the right place, or conducted the right experiments. But it's surely significant.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Come to think of it, what exactly is meant by the OP's statements? That life can only have began by a literal miracle?

Perhaps, although I don't think so. But were that the case, there would still be no problem in studying biology and seeking to understand how life might have originated.

Sometimes I just don't understand what the problem is.
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
If God creates miracles, and evolution is a fact, then evolution is a miracle of God. Embrace it with faith and devotion as the very creative hand of God. Evolution creates. God creates. Put the two together now...

See how easy that is to marry faith and reason?
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
I believe abiogenesis and evolution were fostered by higher beings/nature spirits. Why?

* The incredible complexity of life and its incredible number of bio-chemical events, DNA etc.. The odds against chance of all that needs to come together and then be sustained

* Testimony of people who have encountered non-physical entities


Do any of my reasons constitute proof; No.

Can I prove the materialist believers wrong: No.

Can materialist believers prove me wrong; No.
 

averageJOE

zombie
Rusra...come on man. No one is going to take the OP seriously when you start off with an intellectual dishonest sentence, then follow up with the Watchmaker theory. Everyone who reads the very first sentence will do a face palm.
 

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
Why does life always have to be so miraculous?...or consciousness for that matter? It is nothing more than a series of complex chemical interactions that changed/evolved and became even more complex over time.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Far as I can tell, Runewolf, because some people feel that their sense of the sacred demands so.
 

CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
Why didn't God create us perfect then?

Why the high placement of the larynx?

Why are so many vital organs unprotected?

Why do our organs wear out in the first place?

Why do we age when exposed to solar radiation?
 

Sha'irullah

رسول الآلهة
Evolution is called a "process" time and time again. The word process negates randomosity or chance. It is a specific set of events carefully manipulated to ensure the transmission of superior genes to a collective species. Nothing random about it
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
Rusra...come on man. No one is going to take the OP seriously when you start off with an intellectual dishonest sentence, then follow up with the Watchmaker theory. Everyone who reads the very first sentence will do a face palm.

Joe....come on man. Many people use the term evolution to include abiogenesis and, if not technically correct, we know what they mean. It was not dishonest.
 

McBell

mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
Joe....come on man. Many people use the term evolution to include abiogenesis and, if not technically correct, we know what they mean. It was not dishonest.

How many times does it take repeating the same blatantly false claim and being shown how it is blatantly false before making the same blatantly false claim is a bold faced lie?
 
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