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Featured Why does God need books?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by youknowme, Feb 9, 2019.

  1. PruePhillip

    PruePhillip Well-Known Member

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    Someone inspired by God. And shown something that no ordinary author
    could craft.
    For instance no-one knows who wrote Genesis. Yet that book gives us
    amazing insights in Bronze Age life, the sequence of creation and even
    a view of the future. For instance Jacob told his son Judah that from him
    would spring monarchs who would rule over a future Israel - but that nation
    would last only until Messiah came, and in the Messiah would the Gentiles
    trust. Things like this a seriously deep.
     
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    I agree, unless you consider that the means of the divine message is not just a few holy books, but the mythical stories and parables of many cultures, and their songs, and poems, and plays, and dances, and sculptures, and paintings, and so on.

    The "message" of the divine is deposited directly into the human spirit, and then springs forth in all manner of wondrous expression.
     
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    That’s great! You must have a lot of important time in your life I would take it!
    I can understand, they really are useful in keeping kids educated and well occupied.
    You have a good point with this, But me! I give them my whole of me to teach, and they give back the best love that a father could ever learn from them, this is why I choose not to share that with toys. I’m different to yours! Which is no wrong! but how people choose to give and receive there kids happiness.
    Experience I give them, not toys, I make them go find friends to play with, what’s better to share happiness with one that can receive it, it’s the best thing kids could ever cherish creating memories together.
     
  4. PruePhillip

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    There is this "golden rule", ie do unto others what you would have them
    do unto you. It's in many wisdom religious books. But the bible wasn't
    written for philosophers, scientists, wise men, moral figures or the
    religious. It was written with the view of salvation through the love of God.
     
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    Revoltingest Libertarian Capitalist Atheist Baconist
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    You'd think they'd build those things with better reliability.
    Was an extended warranty offered?
     
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    Of course I’m not....But considering “some” among the Jewish demographic do not completely abide by those books as well as others of the Abrahamic faiths, some is quite appropriate.
     
  7. ChristineM

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    They share their toys. I feel denying kids freedom to play as they wish is denying childhood
     
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    For those like you who don't think books are a good way for a powerful God to convey his messages, a powerful mighty loving God should have his messages written daily by robotic drones in each section of the clear sky visible from anywhere on the Earth's surface.

    Skywriting - Wikipedia

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  9. osgart

    osgart Nothing my eye, Something for sure

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    Also the issue of free will and God not forcing will would apply. But you say God would understand his creations so well that in God's infinite wisdom, our wills would be made perfect in an instant.
    Every appreciation. Every heart of justice. Every repentant measure, well within God's power to control and handle in the snap of a finger. That even the devil could be made into pure innocence at the instant will of God.

    I would say that free will can be the stubbornest thing highly resistant to the omnipotent, omniwise will of God. So time and suffering and tragedy and separation from God is how God responds to that which resisteth all goodness.

    So you might say why cant God make evil into innocence with power. Will is stubborn if it chooses to be. A heart of stone isnt moved no matter what. So perhaps the cost must be eternity. And justice takes punishment to a heart that moves for nothing. Punishment takes time. And if evil has no capacity to change then eternal doom would be a requirement. So perhaps eternal doom would change them and literally facing it.

    I would say evil or sinful will is deep dark water. Certainly if God could change evil will it would be to God's glory. But justice must be served first. And a soul that seeks eternal destruction and punishment of the innocent God may never so want it around.

    But to me this all strays from the reality that people can choose to be very decent and live here on earth in whatever condition just or unjust.

    The idea that evil can be conquered is interesting though. Would a book about eternal doom do it? If God wrote a book with eternal doom at God's authority, i would sure listen and fear for hope.
     
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    For the same reason God needs money.



    In all seriousness, it doesn't. There are traditions where humans write books about human experiences of God to better understand God. Unfortunately, there are those who take these texts, interpret them as they see fit, and propagate them as holy writ...as the word of God.
     
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    Why are we assuming an "all powerful" God. Such a being implies duality, and thereby transcendence. There are those here that don't assume God as transcendent.
     
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    God doesn't want to expose Himself to non-believers because it's worse if they reject Him. Basically, whenever we do something right we get more light of Christ so we can be rewarded but whenever we do something wrong we get less information to go on so we won't be judged as critically.

    Books=information. The more books, the more information. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has the most religious text of any religion. Of course, finite text can only reveal finite information.
     
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    humans are like books; if you can open them up, they have a story to tell. never judge a book by it's cover.. i'm a bookworm and an akashic records


    Job 25:6
    How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm?



    Daniel 7:10
    A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.


     
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    "The God" has only been known since man figured out how to write. Where was The God for the other 3,000,000 years? Did he just all of a sudden decide he wanted his toys to know who he was? Timing seems a bit suspect.
     
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    Who’s freedom you talking about kids or you
     
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    How else could people promote a made up God?

    Come to think of it, even with books, the tendency to be all over the board is obvious. Maybe books make the drift occur a bit slower.
     
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    I tell you what the book gives; the book offers afterlife only to the few that will believe it.
    However..
    Science book offers nothing but learning in ego: not to mention!! Doesn’t offer afterlife.

    With that said! what does one have got to loose in believing in afterlife, I mean; it’s free isn’t it? Doesn’t cost you nothing except your heart! Why is it so hard for some to believe? Is it because of your ego? Ok then! If so; what about your loved ones family or kids, do you love them? Would you not want to see them again after death? Not for in only this world, don’t you think you owe them that understanding to live forward to? Why not? It’s free? Take it? It’s your free will! If not! I can only understand one can be selfish not to.
     
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    Had an inkling you might!
     
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    I have no wish to play with toys. My children will when they want to. That is up to them... I.e their freedom. Its not s difficult concept.

    Why you deny your kids such fteedom?
     
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    Be I’m selfish with their love, I deny toys having claiming what’s mine..it’s not difficult concept
     
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