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Why did so many democrats encourage people in NYC to go to crowded places and use subways

Dan From Smithville

Monsters! Monsters from the id! Forbidden Planet
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Why have they turned this into a Trump thread? Is it obsessive compulsive behavior?
When a crazy person tells you the moon landing was faked as part of a conspiracy, you do not respond to them with logic, reason and evidence. You get them to shut down by telling them you don't believe the moon exists and we have been tricked by a greater conspiracy. Even crazy people don't want to deal with people they think are crazy.I

In this case the hypocrisy of attacking members of one political party for doing what the leadership of the other political party did first, longer and to a much larger audiences makes revealing that hypocrisy so easy.
 

Dan From Smithville

Monsters! Monsters from the id! Forbidden Planet
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I know some people post just to increase their weekly or monthly post numbers.

...I guess here is better than porn hub. :rolleyes:
I have been on a year longer than you and have about a third more posts. We post at roughly the same annual rate. Does your comment apply equally to you then?
 

McBell

mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
I asked the OP how many democrats did this.....haven't heard a peep yet.......
He did reply though.
It was some bull**** about how their silence means they agree.

Yet he tucked tail and ran when it was pointed out that Republicans were silent whilst Trump made all manner of stupid comments concerning Covid-19.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

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You had no concerns over Hillary's many decades of 'baggage'?
I did.

No, but I was very concerned and alarmed by Trump's. By November 2016, we had enough information to know that Trump was a narcissistic, low-information, morally incompetent lifetime liar and fraud. If Hillary had baggage, Trump had two limos full of baggage. Trump had lost lawsuits for fraud. He famously cheated his employees and contractors. He had tawdry affairs with porn stars. He had multiple bankruptcies. He was an admitted serial sexual predator.

Are you one of those, "I had no choice but to vote for Trump. Hillary had too much baggage. Trump was the lesser of evils"
Benghazi and email servers don't compare to Trump's baggage.

Did you forget that Trump was also Putin's choice? How do you think he's feeling about his handiwork now? Why did so many Americans want the candidate that an American-hating thug like Putin preferred?

But you had to vote for Putin's choice because Hillary had too much baggage.

A good leader owns up to their cases of poor judgement

You mean a good leader accepts blame unless he's Trump. In his case, he can remain a good leader in your eyes however many mistakes he makes and however many times he tries to shift the blame.

When has Trump ever admitted a mistake? He doesn't. But even though that's what a Democrat should have done in your eyes, you have a separate standard for Trump.

Now McConnell is blaming Pelosi and the Democrats for Trump's failure to lead, saying that impeachment distracted him. What is he, a cat distracted by a laser? Maybe if the Senate had acted honorably and impeached him, Pence would have done a better job.

But American government is failing at multiple levels.

Trump could work on his charming approach in favor of more diplomacy. It undermines his policies which are sounder than his diplomacy often is.

His lack of diplomacy is not a minor problem. It's why so many millions of people in the world detest him and America's standing on the world stage has fallen under Trump. It's why he initiated trade wars with China and offended them with this "China virus" thing. His ham-handedness has offended American allies who no longer trust the US. He provoked the North Koreans with his mouth.

He probably did make a mistake or two... who hasn't

One mistake is all it takes, such as underestimating the threat of the virus to Americans. That will cost untold numbers of Americans their lives - those that die from overcrowding who could have survived their illness if the system were not overwhelmed. Maybe somebody you love.

Smooth move..! Shifting the blame flawlessly.

Isn't that the purpose of this thread - to deflect attention from Trump's failures to a few Democrats in New York? There was only one national leader, and he failed the entire country. No discussion about the failure in leadership at a local level is relevant in the face of Trump's massive incompetence.
 

Cooky

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Isn't that the purpose of this thread - to deflect attention from Trump's failures to a few Democrats in New York? There was only one national leader, and he failed the entire country. No discussion about the failure in leadership at a local level is relevant in the face of Trump's massive incompetence.

Great... So we can never talk about any local government leaders' mistakes again... All complaints must be diverted straight to Trump, no exceptions. That sucks.

...But what has to be, has to be, I suppose. No getting around it. Ever.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

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Great... So we can never talk about any local government leaders' mistakes again... All complaints must be diverted straight to Trump, no exceptions. That sucks.

Nobody's trying to stop you from discussing anything you'd like, although you seem to be interested in limiting the discussion of others. Here. let me help you by discussing a local leader myself.

From Florida’s Republican governor blames Trump for not instituting stay-home order

"Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) appears to be blaming the president for the reason that he hasn’t issued a stay-at-home order. According to Bay News 9 reporter Samantha-Jo Roth, DeSantis passed the buck to the feds when speaking about the coronavirus crisis, noting the White House task force has not told him that he should issue a statewide order. “The task force is not recommending this. If they do, that’s something that would carry a lot of weight with me,” DeSantis said."

How do you intend to keep Trump out of any discussion of national failure?

I notice you ignored the question to you about whether this thread wasn't an effort "to deflect attention from Trump's failures to a few Democrats in New York." I asked you this after you wrote to another poster, "Smooth move..! Shifting the blame flawlessly."

Defending Trump will become much harder for any Trump apologist as this thing unrolls itself. The man is indefensible. Those that can't see this and try anyway can expect greater condemnation from those who see him for what he is. Sorry, but those who intend to double down on Trump at this juncture are fair game for that condemnation.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
Nobody's trying to stop you from discussing anything you'd like, although you seem to be interested in limiting the discussion of others. Here. let me help you by discussing a local leader myself.

From Florida’s Republican governor blames Trump for not instituting stay-home order

"Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) appears to be blaming the president for the reason that he hasn’t issued a stay-at-home order. According to Bay News 9 reporter Samantha-Jo Roth, DeSantis passed the buck to the feds when speaking about the coronavirus crisis, noting the White House task force has not told him that he should issue a statewide order. “The task force is not recommending this. If they do, that’s something that would carry a lot of weight with me,” DeSantis said."

How do you intend to keep Trump out of any discussion of national failure?

I notice you ignored the question to you about whether this thread wasn't an effort "to deflect attention from Trump's failures to a few Democrats in New York." I asked you this after you wrote to another poster, "Smooth move..! Shifting the blame flawlessly."

Defending Trump will become much harder for any Trump apologist as this thing unrolls itself. The man is indefensible. Those that can't see this and try anyway can expect greater condemnation from those who see him for what he is. Sorry, but those who intend to double down on Trump at this juncture are fair game for that condemnation.

I don't respond to many of your posts because there are too many words, and that's too time consuming to counter so much since I have a busy schedule. But it seems like what you're saying is that nobody can discuss Bill De Blasio, because only Trump can be discussed.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
But it seems like what you're saying is that nobody can discuss Bill De Blasio, because only Trump can be discussed.
Nope.
It's pointing out that state and local leaders are following what comes out of the Trump administration. Even when it's wrong.
Then blaming them, but not the Trump administration.

Which was the point to the OP. Raw partisan hypocrisy.
Tom
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
Nope.
It's pointing out that state and local leaders are following what comes out of the Trump administration. Even when it's wrong.
Then blaming them, but not the Trump administration.

Which was the point to the OP. Raw partisan hypocrisy.
Tom

What you say is not true... Cities and States are not obligated to mimic Trump's policies, in fact, they're obligated to create their own standards because regional differences exist. For example, small towns in Alaska should not be expected to abide by NY city standards and vice versa.

Trump's policies are only general policies that can and should be superseded by local governments. That should be common sense.

...So there is no reason to turn this into another Trump bashing thread unless one has obsessive compulsive issues... And if that's the case, they should address their personal issues on their own time and not make everyone suffer with them.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
What you say is not true... Cities and States are not obligated to mimic Trump's policies, in fact, they're obligated to create their own standards because regional differences exist.
I didn't say mimic his policies.
They went by what he said as POTUS. "C19 isn't a big deal." "Get the country open by Easter." They based their policies on what the White House said.

Unlike Trump, these officials are being held accountable by people like you and the OP.

It's raw partisan hypocrisy. City officials were stupid enough to believe Trump. And that's their own fault?
Tom
 
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Cooky

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I didn't say mimic his policies.
They went by what he said as POTUS. C19 isn't a big deal. Get the country open by Easter. They based their policies on what the White House said.

Unlike Trump, these officials are being held accountable by people like you and the OP.

It's raw partisan hypocrisy. City officials were stupid enough to believe Trump. And that's their own fault?
Tom

Anyone with half a brain could see what happened in other places before the virus made it here. I'll accept no excuses for NY. None for New Orleans either.

...Trumps goals for Easter have nothing to do with common sense leadership on the part of local governments. Especially highly populated places like NY city.

National standards should be set at lower standards by all rights compared to NY city.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Anyone with half a brain could see what happened in other places before the virus made it here.
Trump? Did he see it?
He's the POTUS!
Why are local and state officials being held to such high standards of leadership, but not President Trump?

I'll accept no excuses for NY. None for New Orleans either.
But will you recognize that they have a leader as well?

Donald Trump, President of the United States, is more than just leader of the USA. He's the leader of the "free world". But apparently, many Americans don't think it matters when Trump lies and disembles because he plays for their political team.
Tom
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
Trump? Did he see it?
He's the POTUS!
Why are local and state officials being held to such high standards of leadership, but not President Trump?


But will you recognize that they have a leader as well?

Donald Trump, President of the United States, is more than just leader of the USA. He's the leader of the "free world". But apparently, many Americans don't think it matters when Trump lies and disembles because he plays for their political team.
Tom

Nope, I'm not falling for this storyline...

...Federal standards should be medium, and New York City standards should be the highest in the nation. Villages in Alaska, with no contact with outsiders should have no standards at all regarding coronavirus.

Can you not see why National standards cannot be universally applied at the highest level, where all states play follow-the -leader..? Risk varies by region.
 
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