Why did Obama have such a poor record regarding religious persecution in the world

[Salvador]

Basically, you're happy with a President who furthers a Christian agenda, regardless of personal belief and actions.
Is that accurate?

The Christian right/socially conservative agenda really hasn't been significantly furthered by our POTUS.

 

[Salvador]

I have no problem with giving credit where credit is due, but I do not advocate Demonizing Obama to justify a personal nor religious agenda.

The Obama administration decisively favored Muslims over Christians. The Obama administration did have a dismal record of accepting Christian Syrian war refugees in comparison to their acceptance of Sunni Muslim Syrian war refugees. Under the Obama administration, Christians were less than one percent of Syrian war refugees allowed into the U.S. in comparison to ten percent of the overall Syrian war refugee population being Christian. Sunni Muslims were 99 percent of the Syrian war refugees allowed into the U.S. in comparison to 75 percent of the overall Syrian war refugee population being Sunni Muslims.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

The Christian right/socially conservative agenda really hasn't been significantly furthered by our POTUS.

Should it be?

 

[lukethethird]

Why did Obama have such a poor record regarding religious persecution in the world

So many religions, so little time.

 

[sooda]

The Obama administration decisively favored Muslims over Christians. The Obama administration did have a dismal record of accepting Christian Syrian war refugees in comparison to their acceptance of Sunni Muslim Syrian war refugees. Under the Obama administration, Christians were less than one percent of Syrian war refugees allowed into the U.S. in comparison to ten percent of the overall Syrian war refugee population being Christian. Sunni Muslims were 99 percent of the Syrian war refugees allowed into the U.S. in comparison to 75 percent of the overall Syrian war refugee population being Sunni Muslims.

Religion is NOT a part of the process with refugees to the US.. The US is a signatory to the UNHCR.

Syria's Christian population is roughly 10%... and many of them are displaced internally.

Were you concerned about Iraqi Christians before Bush invaded? Iraq Christians make up some 6% of the population. There were about 50 churches listed in the Baghdad directory before the invasion .. Many have been destroyed.

The GCC have taken in 2 million Syrian refugees but since they are NOT a signatory to the UNHRC the UNHRC doesn't count them.

 

[LuisDantas]

Such creativity in this thread.

 

[Salvador]

Should it be?

No.

 

[Salvador]

Religion is NOT a part of the process with refugees to the US.. The US is a signatory to the UNHCR.

Syria's Christian population is roughly 10%... and many of them are displaced internally.

Were you concerned about Iraqi Christians before Bush invaded? Iraq Christians make up some 6% of the population. There were about 50 churches listed in the Baghdad directory before the invasion .. Many have been destroyed.

The GCC have taken in 2 million Syrian refugees but since they are NOT a signatory to the UNHRC the UNHRC doesn't count them.

Donald J. Trump ultimately opposed the U.S. invasion of Iraqi in 2003; as he has stated , he would've had the U.S. military invade Iraqi correctly the first time during the first Persian Gulf War in 1991. By this, I suppose Donald J. Trump meant Saddam Hussein would have been taken out of power from Iraq by our military forces in 1991, if Donald J. Trump were the Commander and Chief back then.

Believe you me, if Donald J. Trump were President during Obama's time, the U.S. military would have prevented Assad from repeatedly using chemical weapons against his own people. There'd been far fewer refugees, and what few there'd been taken in by America, they would have been a proportionately higher number of Christians.

 

[sooda]

Donald J. Trump ultimately opposed the U.S. invasion of Iraqi in 2003; as he has stated , he would've had the U.S. military invade Iraqi correctly the first time during the first Persian Gulf War in 1991. By this, I suppose Donald J. Trump meant Saddam Hussein would have been taken out of power in 1991, if Donald J. Trump were President back then.

Trump approved the invasion of Iraq in 2002 on the Howard Stern Show.

Howard Stern: Trump supported Iraq invasion - CNN Video

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[Salvador]

Trump approved the invasion of Iraq in 2002 on the Howard Stern Show.

Howard Stern: Trump supported Iraq invasion - CNN Video

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He did so with lots of hesitation, notice how he responded ... I guess so... and he did quickly change his mind about this invasion.

 

[sooda]

He did so with lots of hesitation, notice how he responded ... I guess so... and he did quickly change his mind about this invasion.

He just got caught in a lie... which shouldn't surprise you at this late date.

 

[shunyadragon]

The Obama administration decisively favored Muslims over Christians. The Obama administration did have a dismal record of accepting Christian Syrian war refugees in comparison to their acceptance of Sunni Muslim Syrian war refugees. Under the Obama administration, Christians were less than one percent of Syrian war refugees allowed into the U.S. in comparison to ten percent of the overall Syrian war refugee population being Christian. Sunni Muslims were 99 percent of the Syrian war refugees allowed into the U.S. in comparison to 75 percent of the overall Syrian war refugee population being Sunni Muslims.

. . . because Syria is over 60% Sunni Muslims. Considering other religions and minories like the Kurds Christians are only 10-12% of the population,

To have remotely a case for your argument you would have to have the figures of those denied refuge status.

 

[shunyadragon]

The Obama administration decisively favored Muslims over Christians. The Obama administration did have a dismal record of accepting Christian Syrian war refugees in comparison to their acceptance of Sunni Muslim Syrian war refugees. Under the Obama administration, Christians were less than one percent of Syrian war refugees allowed into the U.S. in comparison to ten percent of the overall Syrian war refugee population being Christian. Sunni Muslims were 99 percent of the Syrian war refugees allowed into the U.S. in comparison to 75 percent of the overall Syrian war refugee population being Sunni Muslims.

If found this interesting source that puts your claim in a more correct perspective:

From: Trump Has Cut Christian Refugees 64%, Muslim Refugees 93%

In a campaign address, Donald Trump told his supporters that “if you are Syrian and you’re Christian, it’s almost impossible to come into the United States… it’s all going to change.” After his inauguration, he reiterated the promise. “They’re chopping off the heads of everyone, but more so, the Christians,” he told CBN News. “I thought it was very, very unfair, so we’re going to help them.”

But he hasn’t. Refugee resettlement has changed, but not for the better. While his administration has reduced Muslim refugee arrivals 93 percent compared to the final months of the Obama administration, it has still slashed Christian refugees 64 percent. He has also cut Syrian Christian refugee arrivals by 94 percent and those from Iraq by 99 percent. He has admitted just 20 Syrian Christians in all of Fiscal Year 2018.

Figure 1 shows the monthly average refugee arrivals by fiscal year—which starts on October 1 and ends on Sept. 30—as far back as there are statistics available for religion. During the months of FY 2017 when President Obama was still in office, Christian refugee admissions averaged 3,586 per month. Christian admissions fell to 1,411 per month during the rest of the fiscal year before plummeting to 1,334. Figure 1 also shows that, while the Obama administration oversaw a rise in Muslim refugees, it didn’t reduce Christian refugees as a result.


The rate of Christian refugee admissions has been 50 percent lower under President Trump’s first two years than under President Obama’s entire term, and it is 25 percent the monthly rate under President Bush. President Trump’s rate of admissions for Muslims was 72 percent lower than Obama and 47 percent lower than Bush. His rate of admitting people of other faiths was 78 percent and 64 percent lower than Obama and Bush, respectively.


On Syrian Christians specifically, President Trump has permitted the entry of just 2 per month in 2018—which is a reduction of 94 percent compared to the last few months of Obama’s term. Among Christian refugees from Iraq—who also face persecution from ISIS—the numbers have fallen 99 percent.


The unfortunate part of this story is that Trump was right: the Obama administration and the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees did let down Syrian Christians as ISIS committed genocide against them. But President Trump has not corrected this mistake—he’s made matters worse.

Some analysts give partial credit to Christians of Middle Eastern ancestry for President Trump’s surprise 2016 upset in Michigan because they voted for him based on his promise to save Christian refugees. Yet not only has his administration cut Christian refugee resettlement, it has attempted to deport hundreds of Iraqi Christians living in the United States without legal status for many years. A federal district court even accused the Trump administration of impeding the Christians’ attempts to challenge their removals in courts and declared that they are “confronting a grisly fate… if deported to Iraq.”

The Trump administration is hostile to Christian refugees for the same reason that it opposes other legal immigrants to the United States: they could take jobs from Americans, commit crimes, and use welfare in the United States. Never mind that they commit crimes at lower rates than Americans, that even the Trump administration has found that refugees are fiscally positive for the United States, and that employed refugees create better paying jobs for existing workers.

By cutting the refugee program across the board, the Trump administration has not just violated a campaign promise to resettle more Christian refugees—it has condemned many more to desperate poverty, persecution, or death. President Trump may not even be aware that his administration has failed to uphold his wishes. If he isn’t, perhaps he can force his bureaucrats to correct course if it comes to his attention. If he is aware, then Christian refugees have another long wait before they can hope for an escape to the land of the free and the home of the brave."

Your claims are a clear selective effort to demonize Obama based on a religious and political agenda, and not the facts.

 

[Salvador]

. . . because Syria is over 60% Sunni Muslims. Considering other religions and minories like the Kurds Christians are only 10-12% of the population,

To have remotely a case for your argument you would have to have the figures of those denied refuge status.

The fact 10-12 percent of Syrian war refugees overall are Christian, and the fact less than one percent of the Syrian war refugees whom the Obama administration accepted into the United States were those who are Christian, does demonstrate my point that the Obama administration was decisively in favor of Muslims over Christians.

 

[sooda]

Donald J. Trump ultimately opposed the U.S. invasion of Iraqi in 2003; as he has stated , he would've had the U.S. military invade Iraqi correctly the first time during the first Persian Gulf War in 1991. By this, I suppose Donald J. Trump meant Saddam Hussein would have been taken out of power from Iraq by our military forces in 1991, if Donald J. Trump were the Commander and Chief back then.

Believe you me, if Donald J. Trump were President during Obama's time, the U.S. military would have prevented Assad from repeatedly using chemical weapons against his own people. There'd been far fewer refugees, and what few there'd been taken in by America, they would have been a proportionately higher number of Christians.

You have yet to acknowledge that Trump was for the invasion of Iraq in 2002,

 

[sooda]

The fact 10-12 percent of Syrian war refugees overall are Christian, and the fact less than one percent of the Syrian war refugees whom the Obama administration accepted into the United States were those who are Christian, does demonstrate my point that the Obama administration was decisively in favor of Muslims over Christians.

Most Syrian refugees weren't Christians.... The Christians sided with Assad.

The US doesn't ASK about the religion of refugees.

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[Kangaroo Feathers]

The Christian right/socially conservative agenda really hasn't been significantly furthered by our POTUS.

Then why are you criticising Obama for that exact thing?

 

[Salvador]

If found this interesting source that puts your claim in a more correct perspective:

From: Trump Has Cut Christian Refugees 64%, Muslim Refugees 93%
In a campaign address, Donald Trump told his supporters that “if you are Syrian and you’re Christian, it’s almost impossible to come into the United States… it’s all going to change.” After his inauguration, he reiterated the promise. “They’re chopping off the heads of everyone, but more so, the Christians,” he told CBN News. “I thought it was very, very unfair, so we’re going to help them.”

But he hasn’t. Refugee resettlement has changed, but not for the better. While his administration has reduced Muslim refugee arrivals 93 percent compared to the final months of the Obama administration, it has still slashed Christian refugees 64 percent. He has also cut Syrian Christian refugee arrivals by 94 percent and those from Iraq by 99 percent. He has admitted just 20 Syrian Christians in all of Fiscal Year 2018.

Figure 1 shows the monthly average refugee arrivals by fiscal year—which starts on October 1 and ends on Sept. 30—as far back as there are statistics available for religion. During the months of FY 2017 when President Obama was still in office, Christian refugee admissions averaged 3,586 per month. Christian admissions fell to 1,411 per month during the rest of the fiscal year before plummeting to 1,334. Figure 1 also shows that, while the Obama administration oversaw a rise in Muslim refugees, it didn’t reduce Christian refugees as a result.


The rate of Christian refugee admissions has been 50 percent lower under President Trump’s first two years than under President Obama’s entire term, and it is 25 percent the monthly rate under President Bush. President Trump’s rate of admissions for Muslims was 72 percent lower than Obama and 47 percent lower than Bush. His rate of admitting people of other faiths was 78 percent and 64 percent lower than Obama and Bush, respectively.


On Syrian Christians specifically, President Trump has permitted the entry of just 2 per month in 2018—which is a reduction of 94 percent compared to the last few months of Obama’s term. Among Christian refugees from Iraq—who also face persecution from ISIS—the numbers have fallen 99 percent.


The unfortunate part of this story is that Trump was right: the Obama administration and the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees did let down Syrian Christians as ISIS committed genocide against them. But President Trump has not corrected this mistake—he’s made matters worse.

Some analysts give partial credit to Christians of Middle Eastern ancestry for President Trump’s surprise 2016 upset in Michigan because they voted for him based on his promise to save Christian refugees. Yet not only has his administration cut Christian refugee resettlement, it has attempted to deport hundreds of Iraqi Christians living in the United States without legal status for many years. A federal district court even accused the Trump administration of impeding the Christians’ attempts to challenge their removals in courts and declared that they are “confronting a grisly fate… if deported to Iraq.”

The Trump administration is hostile to Christian refugees for the same reason that it opposes other legal immigrants to the United States: they could take jobs from Americans, commit crimes, and use welfare in the United States. Never mind that they commit crimes at lower rates than Americans, that even the Trump administration has found that refugees are fiscally positive for the United States, and that employed refugees create better paying jobs for existing workers.

By cutting the refugee program across the board, the Trump administration has not just violated a campaign promise to resettle more Christian refugees—it has condemned many more to desperate poverty, persecution, or death. President Trump may not even be aware that his administration has failed to uphold his wishes. If he isn’t, perhaps he can force his bureaucrats to correct course if it comes to his attention. If he is aware, then Christian refugees have another long wait before they can hope for an escape to the land of the free and the home of the brave."

Your claims are a clear selective effort to demonize Obama based on a religious and political agenda, and not the facts.

Of course, there are presently fewer Syrian war refugees with Trump as our POTUS in place of Obama as our POTUS, because U.S. military strength under the leadership of President Trump has eliminated ISIS in Syria. ...

 

[Salvador]

Then why are you criticising Obama for that exact thing?

I'm critical of the way Obama had favored Muslims over Christians; Trump doesn't play favorites with Muslims over Christians.

 

[sooda]

Donald J. Trump ultimately opposed the U.S. invasion of Iraqi in 2003; as he has stated , he would've had the U.S. military invade Iraqi correctly the first time during the first Persian Gulf War in 1991. By this, I suppose Donald J. Trump meant Saddam Hussein would have been taken out of power from Iraq by our military forces in 1991, if Donald J. Trump were the Commander and Chief back then.

Believe you me, if Donald J. Trump were President during Obama's time, the U.S. military would have prevented Assad from repeatedly using chemical weapons against his own people. There'd been far fewer refugees, and what few there'd been taken in by America, they would have been a proportionately higher number of Christians.

It would have been extremely stupid to have overthrown Saddam Hussein in 1991.