Why did Obama have such a poor record regarding religious persecution in the world

[shunyadragon]

More very odd pathological compulsive lying The video goes into more detail and a partial list of tRump's outrageous lies.

From: White House struggles to explain Trump's bizarre claim about wind turbines - CNN Video
"White House struggles to explain Trump's bizarre claim
Erin Burnett Out Front

The White House is refusing to explain why President Donald Trump claims, falsely, that the noise from wind turbines cause cancer. CNN's Erin Burnett discusses with Jack O'Donnell, former president and chief operating officer of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino."

He not only claims wind turbines cause cancer, but his father was born in Germany, ah . . . no he was born in New York.

 

[Milton Platt]

Obama had a bad record all around regarding religious persecution

Pressure grows on Obama Administration to call persecution of Middle Eastern Christians a genocide – Daily News

If the violence is only against Christians in the middle east, it is not technically genocide.

Genocide is a term used to describe violence against members of a national, ethnic, racial or religious group with the intent to destroy the entire group.

Examples of this appear in the Bible where the Christian god orders the Jews to commit genocide of surrounding nations.

killing every last Christian in the middle east would barely make a dent in the total number of Christians.

 

[shunyadragon]

If the violence is only against Christians in the middle east, it is not technically genocide.

Genocide is a term used to describe violence against members of a national, ethnic, racial or religious group with the intent to destroy the entire group.

Examples of this appear in the Bible where the Christian god orders the Jews to commit genocide of surrounding nations.

killing every last Christian in the middle east would barely make a dent in the total number of Christians.

I believe that genocide or exile is the ultimate goal of many Christians, Baha'is and Jews of Muslims in many Middle East countries.

 

[Shad]

If the violence is only against Christians in the middle east, it is not technically genocide.

Genocide is a term used to describe violence against members of a national, ethnic, racial or religious group with the intent to destroy the entire group.

Examples of this appear in the Bible where the Christian god orders the Jews to commit genocide of surrounding nations.

killing every last Christian in the middle east would barely make a dent in the total number of Christians.

By UN and ICC standards it include "whole or in part"

 

[Milton Platt]

By UN and ICC standards it include "whole or in part"

That would make the term genocide useless. The killing of any single individual would then be considered genocide because any single individual is part of one or more groups.

 

[sooda]

I believe that genocide or exile is the ultimate goal of many Christians, Baha'is and Jews of Muslims in many Middle East countries.

Why would that be their goal?

 

[shunyadragon]

Why would that be their goal?

I believe this is the very fallible human tendency to claim themselves the only true religion, and invoke a claim of exclusive manifest destiny in the evolving cycle of progressive Revelation. This is basically true of the ancient religions throughout history when the reject the Revelations of God as universal.

 

[shunyadragon]

That would make the term genocide useless. The killing of any single individual would then be considered genocide because any single individual is part of one or more groups.

No your invoking the extreme unrealistic case to justify your view.

 

[sooda]

I believe this is the very fallible human tendency to claim themselves the only true religion, and invoke a claim of exclusive manifest destiny in the evolving cycle of progressive Revelation. This is basically true of the ancient religions throughout history when the reject the Revelations of God as universal.

Christians and Jews lived all over the Arab world until 1948.

 

[Milton Platt]

No your invoking the extreme unrealistic case to justify your view.

I do not believe that the killing of an individual or a small group of individuals belonging to a group should be classified as genocide. His definition includes that scenario. I just don't want the definition to be so broad that it loses meaning, that's all.

 

[shunyadragon]

Christians and Jews lived all over the Arab world until 1948.

True, but so has the persecution and attempts of genocide throughout history even by Jews and Christians, which continues today against the Jews, Christians and Baha'is.

 

[shunyadragon]

I do not believe that the killing of an individual or a small group of individuals belonging to a group should be classified as genocide. His definition includes that scenario. I just don't want the definition to be so broad that it loses meaning, that's all.

What is happening is not individuals nor small groups. Nonetheless, per the topic of the thread and the references, demonstrated Obama's figures of immigration of Christians was greater than under Bush and Trump.

 

[Shad]

That would make the term genocide useless. The killing of any single individual would then be considered genocide because any single individual is part of one or more groups.

Nope as it does not consider a single individual at all. The law takes into consideration that a group or nation-state have limited power and power projection. So a nation could go after a target group which lives in the state while the target group has a population outside that nation-state thus control. The nation-state may not start a war with another nation to get the target group outside said nation-state's control. See Nazi Germany.

 

[Milton Platt]

Nope as it does not consider a single individual at all. The law takes into consideration that a group or nation-state have limited power and power projection. So a nation could go after a target group which lives in the state while the target group has a population outside that nation-state thus control. The nation-state may not start a war with another nation to get the target group outside said nation-state's control. See Nazi Germany.

sure, I can agree with that, but your definition includes the killing of a single individual, and that does not qualify, that is all I was saying. we are generally on the same page......

 

[Shad]

sure, I can agree with that, but your definition includes the killing of a single individual, and that does not qualify, that is all I was saying. we are generally on the same page......

I never said individual. I said "in part" and included some of the criteria in a later post. The individual part is solely something you read into the post.

 

[shunyadragon]

sure, I can agree with that, but your definition includes the killing of a single individual, and that does not qualify, that is all I was saying. we are generally on the same page......

The current genocide in Islamic countries is not a matter of killing individuals and small groups. It involves the targeting and systematic killing over time, persecution, using prisons with brutal punishment, and laws that the punishment is death for conversion, or even being an unbeliever as in the Baha'is.